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  1. If Club 1872 is a truly a members organisation then surely it would ask the members how they want their donations spent? They should ask the following question to members. How would you like your donations to be invested in Rangers shares A - all my donation/s used to purchase shares directly from Dave King's holding. B - all my donation/s used to purchase new shares directly from Rangers. C - 50% of my donation/s used to buy shares directly from Dave King and 50% of my donation/s used to purchase shares directly from Rangers. It's a relatively easy option to set up and maintain which gives members a true choice.
    10 points
  2. I find it hard to get annoyed with this Rangers side. Which feels weird. Not at our best but could've scored a handful against a decent Belgian side. Not bad.
    5 points
  3. Another fantastic result tonight, you can't always be great, however we showed tonight we just don't give up, again, we really do have a great mentality running through this team, excellent!.
    5 points
  4. I don't think anyone doubts the debt of gratitude we owe Dave King, I dread to think where we'd be today without him and the Three Bears and I say that unequivocally. However that doesn't mean we can't doubt the timing and method of what's currently being proposed or rather imposed if you wish.
    5 points
  5. Just to emphasise that the club needs £14.4m of additional cash for next season. We seem to be saying that we don't care about that. We could raise the vast majority of it but rather than use it to help the club, we're going to give it to Dave King and just sit back and let Douglas Park and John Bennett supply the funding. Is that attitude more likely or less likely for Park and Bennett to continue to put money into the club? These are presumably emotional guys who may turn round and say "fuck it. If you're giving your cash to King , why should we give our cash to the club?" C1872 are playing with fire.
    5 points
  6. I should also say that there's a big difference between guaranteeing the funds for the purpose of the going concern note in the accounts and actually paying it over. It's possible that Park and Bennett have no intention of putting in the £14m for next season and it will be funded completely through the sale of players. and it would only be in the worst case scenario that we were unable to sell players where they would need to use the proposed funding.
    4 points
  7. The very reason that this has caused the furore that it has , is solely down to Club1872 and the elected representatives , for 2 going on 3 years we have had next to no communications other than the odd statement via selected news outlets , there have been no members meetings , nothing . Now out of the blue with again no regard to members feelings they have agreed a deal with DK , which has absolutely no detailed plan behind it , it raises more questions than answers imho. We really need fresh elections and properly qualified people to run this org , we are talking about possibly £13 million of fans money , it’s not chicken feed .
    4 points
  8. To be clear, Dave King has denied all talk of any board room rift with Park or any other and says it’s a nonsense He will directly address this in my interview with him next week Make of that what you will
    4 points
  9. Not that fans criticising players has ever resulted in better performances anyway. I see tonight’s win as a massive achievement- previously we wouldn’t have won that, which for me confirms our progress.
    3 points
  10. Great result...well done Rangers and thank you Alfredo for your unselfish workrate tonight.
    3 points
  11. This keeps us top of the group. Just wow. What an achievement. To even have a chance of doing that going into the last game is incredible. Another £500k in the bag too and crucial coefficient points.
    3 points
  12. One this is blatantly obvious , that even after everything we have been through , the level of business acumen we have in general through out the support , and general knowledge on the goings on at companies that operate such as ours is very very limited .These are the people that club1872 and to an extent DK are targeting with the “never again “ campaign slogan as it pulls on the heart strings , but it’s shameless and I’m embarrassed that they have sunk so low . I have no axe to bare with DK and like most am very thankful for the majority of what he achieved , Ashley apart because that became personal between them . As the old saying goes , a fool and their money are easily parted .
    3 points
  13. Has Chris not refreshed the battery bay in the Seville (or is it Saville?) Calculator and used the PQ podcast to peddle the line that it was merely ‘50’ fans that were in the car park. Is he inferring that the other 250 odd (clearly pictured) were members of a h-u-n sleeper cell? Can we expect Juan Ghuy to make his customary appearance by the weekend? Peter’s puppets will swing into heightened action from this evening no matter the result for Lurgan Flopp’s charges. Put the kettle on for it.
    3 points
  14. State Pension is funded by NI contributions, so isn't free. No one claims it - it is paid out as a matter of course. But I would agree things like that, free bus passes and free prescriptions should be reviewed.
    3 points
  15. So you're sustainability question is looking at it from a C1872 viewpoint? I'm only looking at it from the club's perspective. I believe that if the cash is invested in the club then it will make it easier for the club to continue without running into significant financial difficulties. The cash from the existing shareholders will dry up at some point and players will have to be sold...potentially costing us the league or European progression, which has its own financial implications. Getting an extra £13m will allow us to go that bit longer without taking drastic steps.
    3 points
  16. It would be around 21%. If they buy the shares from King then it's 25% but the club still needs the £14m and if that comes from Park/Bennett and they convert it into shares than C1872's % falls from the 25% back to 21%. C1872 end up with the same % in the second scenario but none of their cash has gone to the club.
    3 points
  17. Well done to the team tonight. For long periods in the game we struggled but we continued to work hard, retained confidence in our attacking play and, eventually ran out well deserved winners. To qualify with a game to spare in this group from an unbeaten position is superb and deserves immense credit. But, I'm now only interested in beating a wee team my Papa supported in the Black Isle.
    2 points
  18. Brilliant achievement Rangers - qualified with a game to spare and still top of the group. 7 years ago today we were playing Forfar (IIRC) at Ibrox, tonight we've secured a victory in EL and are 24 games unbeaten this season.
    2 points
  19. If it wasn't for Carlton, I'd be asking the mods to ban you for that!
    2 points
  20. One thing that I feel should be pointed out, and it doesn't have any direct relevance to this but Dave King has already sunk 20 million into the club under Murray's stewardship too. Money he never recouped. His Rangers-friendly credentials are there for all to see. It feels a little churlish to bemoan him given everything he has done for the club, both financially and non-financially, over the years.
    2 points
  21. The two of you need to take a step back from this subject , I like and respect both of you , so please , walk away from this and agree to disagree
    2 points
  22. You are responding saying don’t go ‘greeting’ and the likes, hardly friendly It wasn’t an explanation, it was another example of you forcing your opinion at me (When people do this stuff it shows - YOU) As for being a snowflake? Really?! Lol - More like I have no desire to waste my time arguing about a subject that many points we actually agree on & I’ve never challenged you about but you still don’t see it However, this thread is getting clogged up with crap like this, so DM & we’ll discuss or we’ll move on - isn’t worth wasting the thread on Big game tonight an all ??
    2 points
  23. Like the Mr. Beaton (Castore), he seems to have signed up for the full tour of Rangers podcasts. Like Mr.Beaton, he has something to propose/sell. Don't get me wrong. I more than recognise what Dave King has done for the club and put my grain of sand toward the good fight back in the day but IMO, you have to judge things on their particular merits and as they come along. The current fragility is financial rather than the make-up of the board (btw. already mostly Rangers fans).... and that is what IMO, needs addressed within what is a relationship of vested interests.
    2 points
  24. Yes, I am aware. In fact my wife has not enough contributions to receive one. Was just trying to make the point that some well-to-do people don't really need benefits they claim but that is not a reason to stop them.
    2 points
  25. My charming wit, to help my desire for a blazer, to star on 4lads pod with the other esteemed guests we have had?
    2 points
  26. Surely the primary aim of Club1872 shouldn't be to own shares, although that looks increasingly the case, but to assure the long term security of Rangers. It seems many presume these two aspirations to be essential the same thing. To anyone willing to stop and think, that's not necessarily the case. At the moment, as far as I can see, little more than blind acceptance connects one to the other and too many well-meaning fans seem to be fuelled only by faith and hope, while their charity is being hijacked and offered in entirely the wrong direction. Far from having gone away, I have a growing suspicion that some of our old problems have only been hiding in the shadows and may be about to bite us on the arse yet again. The smell of self-interest once again hangs in the air. Gaining control should never have been the priority for Club1872. It should always have been about assuring the best interests of Rangers. It's easy to appear benign and competent when you have people like Whyte, Green, etc running the club but where's the evidence Club1872 offers anything we need today. Where is there the slightest sign that Club1872 possesses any of the qualities or resources needed to play such an important role in the future of the club? I can however see lot's of reasons why Club1872 should never be in a position to obstruct good governance, which is where it will be if this nonsense comes to pass.
    2 points
  27. It is slightly surprising that C1872 haven't attempted to improve their governance and transparency prior to announcing such a scheme. There is no doubt that this is a massive undertaking, albeit one that on the face of it, I'm willing to support. This will only work if they get the right support and infrastructure in place, so it seems quite short sighted to not have anticipated these areas would be questioned. More broadly, there are some within our support who don't support C1872 for a variety of reasons, and things like this will only harden their views and make it harder to persuade new members to sign up and hand over their cash.
    2 points
  28. More sustainable than not putting anything in.
    2 points
  29. The priority should be the success and the financial stability of the club. if gaining control is a higher priority then some do not have their priorities right.
    2 points
  30. Some may have seen some threads on FF over the past 12 hours and wondered what is going on. Some of it was information that I knew confidentially and couldn't reveal and there's been a bit of new information and here's my take on it. Chris Graham is heavily involved with C1872 and it's been suggested to me that nothing happens without his approval, although he is unelected. He seems to be acting as a shadow director. He was employed by Rangers (apparently at a salary of £75K) although this has never been publicised. I think he was being paid for doing a lot of the C1872 administration but I'm not 100% sure on that. When Dave King stood down as a director, Chris's job disappeared. I've read that Park dislikes Graham but don't know the veracity of it, but given the job loss, it's highly possible. The Chris Graham-influenced C1872 is now proposing to lead a fund raising campaign for cash to King rather than the club, without the members being consulted as to where they would like the cash to go. The question raised on FF was "Is Chris Graham losing his circa £75k salary from Rangers the catalyst for C1872 power grab?" While I disagree with the use of "power grab" it's an interesting question. Is it some sort of payback for the job loss?
    2 points
  31. Sounds awful. U.E.F.A. just makes things worse with each change. The competitions are already heavily to the advantage of clubs with big audiences. What more do they want?
    2 points
  32. I note the overnight carfuffle over on FF on specific things/allegations to do with this matter and the customary division based mainly on faith or lack of, in individuals involved. Disregarding the difficulty of raising large sums of money in what will be a time of general economic carnage,...shouldn't it simply be about what is best for the football club? IM(inexpert)O, the recent accounts spell out the need for new money.
    2 points
  33. The bheasts would be better off paying for us to go to Dubai for a winter training camp!
    2 points
  34. 1 point
  35. Looking at the first goal again, you could say they are all to blame partly for that one too. Very unlike our defenders, who have been quite magnificent all season. Hope that’s all their mistakes or the next couple of months out the way tonight!
    1 point
  36. Never been better, thanks ! ....Definitely still breathing (a la Wim Hoff) but more sea swimming rather than ye auld yomping. Put it this way, I'm mid fifties and could breeze The Paras basic training although still a way to go before I'll be able to get past the SBS tests at Poole ?
    1 point
  37. Buster, You continue to breathe? Hopefully, you are here to stay? I thought you were Oscar Mike, yomping to Bootneck heaven. Still, suddenly appearing on a thread, full of threaders is gopping behaviour. Exhibit your charm.
    1 point
  38. 1. He wasn't willing to invest further cash? 2. I doubt that there's anyone other than C1872 looking to buy his shares. I can't see the other shareholders willing to fork out for them. It therefore suggests that he's a forced seller and C1872 should have looked to negotiate the price down. 3. I'll pass on that one.
    1 point
  39. Ah Apologies, I thought I was talking to someone with a worthwhile point
    1 point
  40. Possibly because your blog is the best out there mate , and you always put Rangers first . lol see what I did there .
    1 point
  41. You seem like a man on a mission today ?
    1 point
  42. The vested interests of C1872 and Rangers make this somewhat different regarding approach. Survival is priority Control of what could (if things don't go well) become a financial basket case is of little use or value for that matter. Financially supporting the club (the board are already doing a good job and are emotionally invested themselves) so as we can get to a stronger financial base to work from makes more sense to me. At that point, the control % aspect could be focused upon.
    1 point
  43. It's a very sensible question that hasn't been addressed. I presume that whatever money is raised will go to King for as many shares as they can afford.
    1 point
  44. This thread sums up why Rangers supporters might make a mess of fan ownership. Even when we agree questions need to be asked, we start disagreeing about whether those questions are being posed correctly. I'm even arguing with myself about all of this. ? King could've given us another couple of months enjoying football before announcing the offer FFS.
    1 point


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