craig 5,195 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Well I hope the coaches tell Ally that Jig can't play in midfield because he seems incapable of grasping that one, or that there is more than the long ball tactic in today's football. Better still why not bring in a manager who can actually coach and let Ally get back to being the cheeky chappy on the tele. But the strange thing is that few of today's modern manager's actually coach. Mourinho does but Guardiola didnt at Barca. Wenger doesnt at Arsenal and I dont believe Fergie does at Man U either. Those that dont coach though have complete and total control over the club in the sense that it is their philosophy that they bring to the club and if the coaches are not carrying through their philosophy, guess what ? Yup, bye-bye coach. Ally doesnt need to be a coach but if he wasnt going to coach then he needs to, at the very least, have a philosophy and sadly right now he is responsible for both the coaching AND the style of play and that is playing the ball back to front. The defence didnt punt the ball back to front last night, at least not much, but Alexander was doing it all bloody game. 1st couple of minutes he gets the ball and has 30 yards of space and waves everyone up field for the long punt.... at HOME.... against QOS... Is that how low we have really sunk ?? We have had decent players coming through the door at MP over the years, I dont think too many can deny that - maybe not as many as some would like. However, where we are truly failing with MP is that those facilities are first class and the pitches look in fantastic condition so there really is NO excuse not to be encouraging and coaching players to get the ball on the deck and pass it. Teach them to have quicker reaction times, teach them to be more aware prior to the ball getting to them, teach them better control, teach them how to pass the ball 5 yards and then move into space or move into an area which frees space for the man on the ball. But no.... we just lump the ball up the pitch in hopes we get the knockdown. That isnt how to play modern day football. And whether Ally is telling the players to do that or not, he must carry the can for it. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,195 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 The op was right about the tin hat, so I'm putting mine on. I'd rather Walter was running the team than Ally. With just those two options I think we all would. However, the OP was suggesting Walter even with a clean slate on who we can get that is available. Walter or Ally is a no-brainer. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,195 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 If that's the options i agree with you but we shouldn't kid ourselves the football was pretty dire under Walter as well so i wouldn't expect much difference even in the 3rd division. Both managers are content to give the opposition the majority of possession which i have never understood...if you have the ball the other team can't score. I know this is at a much reduced level but I take my U10's tonight for their first training session of the season and it is the first time I will have worked with these kids (worked with U6 and U8's previously) and, funnily enough, I was going to start out my session this evening by sitting them down and telling them what I expect this season in terms of commitment, attitude, behaviour, training etc.... But the over-riding comments that I was going to make are : We retain the ball. If we have the ball the other team cant score Football really IS as simple as that. That should always be the AIM, we all know it wont happen but at least attempting to retain the ball and if you lose it regaining it quickly is the secondary aim. Barca's success is built on that and every team can do that if they choose to. Many European clubs now have what is called the "5 second rule" - and it is pretty basic. If you lose the ball for 5 seconds you swarm the other team with 3 or 4 players to try and regain possession. if you regain possession, great, you can now build your own attack again. If you dont regain possession you slide back into your natural position but even if you dont regain possession you have achieved something.... what is that something ? You have not allowed your opponent to methodically enter their attack phase of play, they have just spent 5 seconds panicking to simply retain the ball - so when you get back into your position they dont have an organised attack ready. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54andcounting 0 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 (edited) Show them a video of last nights game and tell them to keep an eye on the team wearing blue...then tell them that's NOT the way to do it. Don't tell them it's Rangers fgs Edited September 19, 2012 by 54andcounting 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
True_Ger_1872 2 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 There are two main areas, that are very general, that we really need to work on. These are a) ball retention and b) technical ability. Our ball retention is garbage, no passing on the deck, off the ball movement, no pressing to regain posession - its shambolic! the 5 second rule has been mentioned, this is something we dont do. I could understand on our UEFA Cup run that we would hold back and hit on the break but the reality is that we shouldnt need to do this in Div 3, and we should be fitter than our opponents so that we can tire them out rather than holding off and trying to get them to tire themselves out!!! Technical ability is something i have questioned for years now. When was the last time we had an out and out free kick taker that we could call a 'free kick specialist'? We have had decent players but not a specilaist. Look at Celtic over the recent years....Nakamura, Thomson, Mulgrew, McGeady....each of the time these guys got a free kick around the box - it was squeeky bum time for the opponents as more often than not they had technical ability to really test teams. We dont seem to try and develop this skill in players....hell, we rarely even have a dig from 20 yards out against these teams!!! Possible solutions to these a) need to look at our coachin methods and look at the continent (Spain, Italy, Holland) and see how they bring their philosophies out in players. b) start with a bag of balls and say 'have a dig son' and keep on it!!! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovanAllan 0 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 But the strange thing is that few of today's modern manager's actually coach. Mourinho does but Guardiola didnt at Barca. Wenger doesnt at Arsenal and I dont believe Fergie does at Man U either. Those that dont coach though have complete and total control over the club in the sense that it is their philosophy that they bring to the club and if the coaches are not carrying through their philosophy, guess what ? Yup, bye-bye coach. Ally doesnt need to be a coach but if he wasnt going to coach then he needs to, at the very least, have a philosophy and sadly right now he is responsible for both the coaching AND the style of play and that is playing the ball back to front. The defence didnt punt the ball back to front last night, at least not much, but Alexander was doing it all bloody game. 1st couple of minutes he gets the ball and has 30 yards of space and waves everyone up field for the long punt.... at HOME.... against QOS... Is that how low we have really sunk ?? We have had decent players coming through the door at MP over the years, I dont think too many can deny that - maybe not as many as some would like. However, where we are truly failing with MP is that those facilities are first class and the pitches look in fantastic condition so there really is NO excuse not to be encouraging and coaching players to get the ball on the deck and pass it. Teach them to have quicker reaction times, teach them to be more aware prior to the ball getting to them, teach them better control, teach them how to pass the ball 5 yards and then move into space or move into an area which frees space for the man on the ball. But no.... we just lump the ball up the pitch in hopes we get the knockdown. That isnt how to play modern day football. And whether Ally is telling the players to do that or not, he must carry the can for it. Lot of good points Craig, I was counting by the way you must due Kuznetsov a case of cyber beer. I've never once watched any of my kids teams getting taught the punt method in fact I've seen one of my boys get a mouthful from his coach for playing the long ball out of defence. I did see McDowall waving Alexander to punt it last night. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardyGuts 6 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I know this is at a much reduced level but I take my U10's tonight for their first training session of the season and it is the first time I will have worked with these kids (worked with U6 and U8's previously) and, funnily enough, I was going to start out my session this evening by sitting them down and telling them what I expect this season in terms of commitment, attitude, behaviour, training etc.... But the over-riding comments that I was going to make are : We retain the ball. If we have the ball the other team cant score Football really IS as simple as that. That should always be the AIM, we all know it wont happen but at least attempting to retain the ball and if you lose it regaining it quickly is the secondary aim. Barca's success is built on that and every team can do that if they choose to. Many European clubs now have what is called the "5 second rule" - and it is pretty basic. If you lose the ball for 5 seconds you swarm the other team with 3 or 4 players to try and regain possession. if you regain possession, great, you can now build your own attack again. If you dont regain possession you slide back into your natural position but even if you dont regain possession you have achieved something.... what is that something ? You have not allowed your opponent to methodically enter their attack phase of play, they have just spent 5 seconds panicking to simply retain the ball - so when you get back into your position they dont have an organised attack ready. Totally Agree. One of my major gripes and was also evident last night is you would see one man break off, most often from memory was McKay or Jig, to close down the opposition but this was very rarely followed up by the rest of the team. It really is a wasted effort in this sort of scenario one or two simple sideway passes and you are around the man closing you down who is then in turn out of position and they have a vast gap to venture into. You either need to close down as a unit, ala Barca, or not do it at all and stay rigid. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeardyGuts 6 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 There are two main areas, that are very general, that we really need to work on. These are a) ball retention and b) technical ability. Our ball retention is garbage, no passing on the deck, off the ball movement, no pressing to regain posession - its shambolic! the 5 second rule has been mentioned, this is something we dont do. I could understand on our UEFA Cup run that we would hold back and hit on the break but the reality is that we shouldnt need to do this in Div 3, and we should be fitter than our opponents so that we can tire them out rather than holding off and trying to get them to tire themselves out!!! Technical ability is something i have questioned for years now. When was the last time we had an out and out free kick taker that we could call a 'free kick specialist'? We have had decent players but not a specilaist. Look at Celtic over the recent years....Nakamura, Thomson, Mulgrew, McGeady....each of the time these guys got a free kick around the box - it was squeeky bum time for the opponents as more often than not they had technical ability to really test teams. We dont seem to try and develop this skill in players....hell, we rarely even have a dig from 20 yards out against these teams!!! Possible solutions to these a) need to look at our coachin methods and look at the continent (Spain, Italy, Holland) and see how they bring their philosophies out in players. b) start with a bag of balls and say 'have a dig son' and keep on it!!! As you say our ball retention is shocking....i feel at the moment we are at some half way house between deciding whether to pump the balls long or play the ball on the deck. This is where i feel the fault lies at Coisty....it looks like the players don't know what the plan of attack is themselves. Don't even get me started on our corners and free kicks. How hard is it for a professional footballer to whip the ball in with pace? How many corners/free kicks has Black taken recently..and i really am struggling to think of a couple which were decent. The goal from last nights corner was firstly a shite corner then even worse defending luckily enough. I feel bad putting the boot into the team so much but just getting really infuriated by the recent performances. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,195 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Lot of good points Craig, I was counting by the way you must due Kuznetsov a case of cyber beer. I've never once watched any of my kids teams getting taught the punt method in fact I've seen one of my boys get a mouthful from his coach for playing the long ball out of defence. I did see McDowall waving Alexander to punt it last night. I gave up counting at the end of the 1st half, was a futile exercise As for your kids team, that is the way it SHOULD be. Kids should NEVER, EVER be encouraged to play the ball long out of defence until they are older and, even then, they should be doing it to hit a specific person who is either in space or will get in behind a defender to collect. They should, however, still practice playing long balls as it helps with their range of passing. But they shouldnt use it in a game until they are teens, IMO of course. The club I coach here actually dont mind if the kids even play the ball across the defence. Reason being is it instils confidence in them to make passes, even if dangerous - and even if it is intercepted then they learn from their mistakes. I LOATHE seeing a keeper punt the ball long when not under any pressure 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Rebo's Big Blue Nose 0 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 How depressing is this thread....? "Hello...I support Rangers. The team that always looks back...". It does my head in. We have been given an "opportunity" to reboot the entire structure at our club from top to bottom. We will never havr a better chance to do this and still people want to keep looking back FFS. Let's get in a young and ambitious manager that knows how to actually play football and would fine players for lumping it long 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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