Keevins in Sunday Mail

[RyanGers193 0]

And you'd be wrong.

The point is that singing about the UVF or the YCV or people of that ilk - who killed 'UK citizens', whether they wanted to be British or otherwise - is in no ways 'better' than singing about the IRA.

 

I guess the majority of our support is the same as TGB then if that's the case. Ridiculous comparison anyway.

[der Berliner 3,219]

Just asking ... when our people sing about the UVF or YCV (not that often and hardly very expressive, I would argue), do they ooze the similar anti-Irish, anti-Catholic and pro-terrorist sentiment out of the stands and the people like the GB and many Yahoos do in terms of e.g. anti-British stuff?

[andy steel 0]

Certainly some of our fans are ferociously anti-Irish, but I don't know how you could answer this question definitively without asking everyone individually.

[RyanGers193 0]

What's anti Irish/catholic about the YCV or UVF?

[amms 0]

What's anti Irish/catholic about the YCV or UVF?

 

You're right. If you don't include the murders, attempted murders, other acts of violence and ideology then nothing really.

[RyanGers193 0]

You're right. If you don't include the murders, attempted murders, other acts of violence and ideology then nothing really.

 

I wasn't saying I was right, I was asking a question. A question you failed to answer...

[Calgacus 8]

I wasn't saying I was right, I was asking a question. A question you failed to answer...

 

Maybe the fact that the targets of the murders, attempted murders and other acts of violence were generally Irish/Catholic. Though of course they were quite happy to target anyone else who got in their way or just got caught in the crossfire.

[RyanGers193 0]

Maybe the fact that the targets of the murders, attempted murders and other acts of violence were generally Irish/Catholic. Though of course they were quite happy to target anyone else who got in their way or just got caught in the crossfire.

 

The UVF were a regiment in the British army as I'm sure you're aware, don't see quite how that equates to them being the same as the IRA or only murdering/attempting to murder Irish people/catholics.

[Calgacus 8]

The UVF was never an Army Regiment.

[barca72 440]

The UVF was never an Army Regiment.

 

 

It was part of a division, though.

 

http://www.1914-1918.net/36div.htm

 

The 36th (Ulster) Division in 1914-1918

The history of 36th (Ulster) Division

 

In September 1914, the Ulster Division was formed from the Ulster Volunteer Force which raised thirteen battalions for the three Irish regiments based in Ulster: the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, the Royal Irish Fusiliers and the Royal Irish Rifles. A unique situation existed. This summary is from Ray Westlake’s “Kitchener’s Army”:

“It took several weeks after war was declared that permission to form an Ulster Division was granted. The Ulster Volunteer Force, a Protestant organisation created by Sir Edward Carson as a force to counter the threat of the Home Rule Bill, was already in existence and its members were as eager as any to join the war. However, due to the political situation in Ireland, things were held up. Many volunteers refused to wait and either crossed to England or Scotland to enlist, or joined the 10th or 16th Divisions already being formed by the War Office in Ireland.

With over 80,000 members, it was clear that the UVF was in a position to make an important contribution to the recruitment of the New Armies. Lord Kitchener met with Sir Edward Carson in London who, although eager to help was concerned at how the situation in Ireland might turn while his force was away at war. The Government were not able to give any guarantees that might put Sir Edward’s mind at rest. However, he later agreed to raise a Division, without any conditions, and within days had placed an order for 10,000 uniforms with a London firm of outfitters.”

The UVF was not only organised, but trained to some extent as a military force, and had been armed. It was therefore considerably more advanced as a formed body of men than the similar formations of the New Armies now being created elsewhere.These battalions were clothed and administered by their raisers in the same way as the locally raised New Army battalions in Great Britain, although the UVF was at a high state of readiness in August 1914 as a result of heightened tensions in connection with the Home Rule debate that had occurred earlier in the year".

 

1914

August: Formed in Ireland as the Ulster Division, with Brigades numbered 1,2 and 3. On 28 August 1914, the Division and its Brigades adopted the titles shown on this page.

 

1915

July: the Division moved to Seaford on the Sussex coast of England. Lord Kitchener inspected the Division there on 27 July 1915, and later remarked to Carson “your Division of Ulstermen is the finest I have yet seen”. Another inspection took place, by King George V, on 30 September 3-6 October: the Division moved to France, although the artillery remained in England until November.

The Ulster Division initially concentrated in the area around Flesselles, some ten miles north of Arras. Gradually, men were sent in groups for familiarisation with trench warfare conditions, and were attached to the regular army 4th Division for the purpose in the (at this time) quiet are north of the River Ancre near Albert.

On 21 October the Division was moved away from the fighting area towards Abbeville, where it spent most of the winter of 1915-16 continuing training. One of the Brigades was attached to 4th Division for several weeks at this time and the artillery finally rejoined.

 

1916

The whole Division finally took over a complete section of the front line on 7 February, between the River Ancre and the Mailly-Maillet to Serre road. Division HQ was at Acheux. In the first week of March, the Division extended its front, the 109th Brigade taking over the sector south of the Ancre, known by the name of Thiepval Wood.

 

The Division remained in the Western Front in France and Flanders throughout the rest of the war.

 

The Great War cost 36th (Ulster) Division 32186 men killed, wounded or missing.