Appointment of Chief Executive Officer = no surprise!

[buster. 4,808]

SD make more from Rangers than they do Newcastle?

 

Newcastle’s retail arm, which has been taken over by Sports Direct is worth £3.4m of business the company. That’s £3.4m off Newcastle’s turnover, including whatever profit it brings.

 

Rangers retail business, now in the hands of Sports Direct, is worth £3.8m in turnover.

 

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I think you'll find that Ashely extracts much more value than that under the banner of 'missing' connercial revenue.

[Thinker 851]

If Sports Direct are making money from it, that will be good enough for him. How many more times will this "Rangers need to be successful" horseshit be trotted out? As has been shown recently, quite a few folk have got rich without having to worry about on-field matters.

 

There's got to be more to it than that though - MA can't coin it in year on year if we're not successful, because there will be very little cash flowing into the club and very little associated merchandise being purchased. There is only so much money he can make out of us and only for so long if we're not successful.

 

We're not like Newcastle or Leeds or any of the other cautionary tales being bandied about - our circumstances are different, and there's an abvious success-related tipping point. For SD to make money from Rangers, us punters have to be spending money on Rangers. The bare minimum our fans will settle for is challenging for the title every year and winning at least half the time. If he doesn't even attempt to achieve that what percentage of the fans do you think will keep showing up? If he downsizes our operations so the Tims have things that we don't (a training ground, internet TV subscriptions etc.) how many fans will continue to support him with their cash? You're talking 4 figure attendances and no kids wanting to be seen dead in our kit. What's the point in owning that? He'd have been as well buying into Stevenage.

 

Guys like Green, Stockbridge and Ahmad were quite content to misappropriate a couple of years' season ticket sales and the IPO money then scuttle off. The ride is over for them at that point. We're on the last possible year of that happening, so why would MA bother?

 

It makes no sense. if he stays in control and he's not done something positive by ST renewal day though, he's wasted his time, because Rangers will be worth next to fuck all as a business.

Edited December 20, 2014 by Thinker

[buster. 4,808]

Agreed, but it is also pushed by those who have no problem with thinking logically on other subjects. That appears to be more calculated.

 

SteveC says that "madness rules this shitty world"

 

I'd say that generally............. ignorance is exploited by the types you refer to and at many different levels.

 

I'd also say that we live in an increasingly "shitty world" because of it.

 

Truth, responsibility and accountability have been relegated to a lower tier and calculated bullshit controls up on high and is having a trickle down effect.

Edited December 20, 2014 by buster.

[buster. 4,808]

There's got to be more to it than that though - MA can't coin it in year on year if we're not successful, because there will be very little cash flowing into the club and very little associated merchandise being purchased. There is only so much money he can make out of us and only for so long if we're not successful.

 

We're not like Newcastle or Leeds or any of the other cautionary tales being bandied about - our circumstances are different, and there's an abvious success-related tipping point. For SD to make money from Rangers, us punters have to be spending money on Rangers. The bare minimum our fans will settle for is challenging for the title every year and winning at least half the time. If he doesn't even attempt to achieve that what percentage of the fans do you think will keep showing up? If he downsizes our operations so the Tims have things that we don't (a training ground, internet TV subscriptions etc.) how many fans will continue to support him with their cash? You're talking 4 figure attendances and no kids wanting to be seen dead in our kit. What's the point in owning that? He'd have been as well buying into Stevenage.

 

Guys like Green, Stockbridge and Ahmad were quite content to misappropriate a couple of years' season ticket sales and the IPO money then scuttle off. The ride is over for them at that point. We're on the last possible year of that happening, so why would MA bother?

 

It makes no sense. if he stays in control and he's not done something positive by ST renewal day though, he's wasted his time, because Rangers will be worth next to fuck all as a business.

 

Will c&p a post I made just there on FF which touches on some of what you say.

 

As you mention, I don't see it working at Ibrox for MA in the medium to longterm without him changing his spots. There is a deeply cynical malaise already set in within the support that for many is already edging closer to the cliffedge of no return.

 

 

Thousands have already gone and many won't be for returning.

 

The Ashely project at Newcastle has two things that allow much of the commercial revenue to be directed towards Sports Direct interests.

 

1. TV money, loads of it.

 

2. Matchday revenue, 50K attendences.

 

 

At Rangers, Ashely will have neither, yet has/will still want much of our retail and commercial value.

 

He also wants the club to break even and spins the line about the Champions League.

 

He may be an excellent businessman but he isn't God.

 

 

With Ashely, the future is not Charlie Austin, it's Austere with a capital A.

 

It's a soulless corporate vehicle of mediocrity rather than an ambitious football club.

 

We need to change our ways but not become Sports Direct CV.

Edited December 20, 2014 by buster.

[JohnMc 2,463]

There's got to be more to it than that though - MA can't coin it in year on year if we're not successful, because there will be very little cash flowing into the club and very little associated merchandise being purchased. There is only so much money he can make out of us and only for so long if we're not successful.

 

We're not like Newcastle or Leeds or any of the other cautionary tales being bandied about - our circumstances are different, and there's an abvious success-related tipping point. For SD to make money from Rangers, us punters have to be spending money on Rangers. The bare minimum our fans will settle for is challenging for the title every year and winning at least half the time. If he doesn't even attempt to achieve that what percentage of the fans do you think will keep showing up? If he downsizes our operations so the Tims have things that we don't (a training ground, internet TV subscriptions etc.) how many fans will continue to support him with their cash? You're talking 4 figure attendances and no kids wanting to be seen dead in our kit. What's the point in owning that? He'd have been as well buying into Stevenage.

 

Guys like Green, Stockbridge and Ahmad were quite content to misappropriate a couple of years' season ticket sales and the IPO money then scuttle off. The ride is over for them at that point. We're on the last possible year of that happening, so why would MA bother?

 

It makes no sense. if he stays in control and he's not done something positive by ST renewal day though, he's wasted his time, because Rangers will be worth next to fuck all as a business.

 

You vastly over estimate what our support will accept. If Rangers can get promoted then even badly mismanaged we should finish top three in the SPFL most seasons, challenge for one of the domestic cups to at least quarter final stage and qualify for qualification stages for the Europa league.

At that stage we can be pacified with 'there's always next season' talk, a change of manager every now and then and the promise that change might bring and the likelihood that the Tim's will mess up every now and then and we might sneak a title.

Look at the numbers quoted above, even now, at our lowest ever ebb, the we generate more money than a one city English

Premiership side with a famously resilient support.

Any success we get will be an added bonus, but I can see no I'm imperative for Ashley to require it or even desire it.

[Rangersitis 0]

There's got to be more to it than that though - MA can't coin it in year on year if we're not successful, because there will be very little cash flowing into the club and very little associated merchandise being purchased. There is only so much money he can make out of us and only for so long if we're not successful.

 

We're not like Newcastle or Leeds or any of the other cautionary tales being bandied about - our circumstances are different, and there's an abvious success-related tipping point. For SD to make money from Rangers, us punters have to be spending money on Rangers. The bare minimum our fans will settle for is challenging for the title every year and winning at least half the time. If he doesn't even attempt to achieve that what percentage of the fans do you think will keep showing up? If he downsizes our operations so the Tims have things that we don't (a training ground, internet TV subscriptions etc.) how many fans will continue to support him with their cash? You're talking 4 figure attendances and no kids wanting to be seen dead in our kit. What's the point in owning that? He'd have been as well buying into Stevenage.

 

Guys like Green, Stockbridge and Ahmad were quite content to misappropriate a couple of years' season ticket sales and the IPO money then scuttle off. The ride is over for them at that point. We're on the last possible year of that happening, so why would MA bother?

 

It makes no sense. if he stays in control and he's not done something positive by ST renewal day though, he's wasted his time, because Rangers will be worth next to fuck all as a business.

 

Ashley has made the bulk of his fortune by taking premium brands which were in the doldrums, and turning them into cheap, nasty shit that still sells. Just watch the season ticket sales rocket if/when promotion is gained, and with every extra seat that is filled, a strip or a scarf or a hat or a jacket is sold by SD and Mike Ashley makes money without having to devote much of his time to it at all. If the retail side is starting to make a loss, Ashley will have it offloaded pronto.

[der Berliner 3,231]

Ashley has made the bulk of his fortune by taking premium brands which were in the doldrums, and turning them into cheap, nasty shit that still sells. Just watch the season ticket sales rocket if/when promotion is gained, and with every extra seat that is filled, a strip or a scarf or a hat or a jacket is sold by SD and Mike Ashley makes money without having to devote much of his time to it at all. If the retail side is starting to make a loss, Ashley will have it offloaded pronto.

 

.. the way the enlightened fans give their support to the team these days, with all the boardroom rubbish and the dire fare on the field of play, there is little reason to believe that there will be any great increase in ST sales ... unless something changes at manager and player staff level. And that won't happen without investment.

[Thinker 851]

You vastly over estimate what our support will accept. If Rangers can get promoted then even badly mismanaged we should finish top three in the SPFL most seasons, challenge for one of the domestic cups to at least quarter final stage and qualify for qualification stages for the Europa league.

At that stage we can be pacified with 'there's always next season' talk, a change of manager every now and then and the promise that change might bring and the likelihood that the Tim's will mess up every now and then and we might sneak a title.

Look at the numbers quoted above, even now, at our lowest ever ebb, the we generate more money than a one city English

Premiership side with a famously resilient support.

Any success we get will be an added bonus, but I can see no I'm imperative for Ashley to require it or even desire it.

 

It may turn out you're right, but I honestly don't think I've over-estimated what fans will accept. The figures for the last few years are still riding on our determination to get to back the level we're accustomed to, and halt our biggest rival's 10 in a row charge. If Ashley's (or any other) regime renders those targets unattainable then the support will fall away very quickly IMHO. And, unfortunately, we're witnessing at the moment just how a badly mismanaged club can struggle. I don' think we'd make the top three in premiership right now - and MA's man has already set about cost-cutting.

 

Even if MA were to invest enough money and effort to consistently make us runner-up every year I still think the support would dwindle. Not as rapidly, but year-on-year it would be less. And if he allows the "most domestic titles" record to be threatened there would be full scale revolt. In a way, Ashley's wealth makes it a lot harder for him to run us without ambition, because we all know he has the resources to make us champions if he felt like it. He would become a figure of hate if he allowed us to live in Celtic's shadow.

 

The only scenario I can think of that makes sense is that, as we achieve an acceptable level of success, our debt to Ashley increases to crazy levels. (Newcastle owe him something like £250m IIRC). Fine for a while, but the day he decides he's out and gathers the debt, we'd be utterly ruined.

[trublusince1982 243]

I think you'll find that Ashely extracts much more value than that under the banner of 'missing' connercial revenue.

Yeah understand that just puts to bed the "we need to be a success" motto for him to make money. If as it says he already makes more through retail with us than with Newcastle. Also shows who will must likely sell the most merchandise abroad were his interests seem to be.

[buster. 4,808]

Yeah understand that just puts to bed the "we need to be a success" motto for him to make money. If as it says he already makes more through retail with us than with Newcastle. Also shows who will must likely sell the most merchandise abroad were his interests seem to be.

 

The theory that points to his interest in Rangers being because of SD expansion into Europe doesn't stand-up.