trublusince1982 243 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 how do you know who shoved first? how do you know they didnt just try to walk in first to be meet with the level of disregard shown by the staff in the video then retaliated in kind? if the fans should act with honour and dignity in the face of adversity shouldnt the staff when the fans first entered? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I think you can see from the above definition of 'assault' that both the old man and the lady were given cause to be alarmed when the fans broke through the glass door uninvited. They should all be charged with assault. Assault is a highly unlikely charge for barging past security into a reception area uninvited. The worst that any of those who barged in there without harming anyone are facing (if caught) is a Breach of the Peace charge or a charge under the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca72 440 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Assault is a highly unlikely charge for barging past security into a reception area uninvited. The worst that any of those who barged in there without harming anyone are facing (if caught) is a Breach of the Peace charge or a charge under the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act. Don't agree Zappa. If you look at the video again, when the first lot barge in and the old man is successful in pushing them back, okay; but then the second wave wth the banner almost push the old man off of his feet and just before they raise the banner you can just catch the lady in the background putting her hands on her head in what looks like an act of anguish. A little later you hear her invite everyone to leave. It must have been after this that she sustained her injuries. However, if the demonstrators had left after the first breech of the door then we could have perhaps accepted that we were watching a display of over-exhuberance but subsequent actions were beyond acceptable. By physically brushing the old man aside as he tries to maintain his position and by causing the lady such distress, this is no longer a breach of the peace but an assault. I hate to see bears getting charged but this is beyond acceptable and they must be forced to face that. The employees are not the board. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinstein 294 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 small earthquake in Chile....not many killed nonsense reaction from colour supplement country If it comes to it, we should occupy Ibrox and MP well done the young guys Power to the PEOPLE 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersitis 0 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 If the old guy is indeed pushing people about like you claim, would that not count as assault too? Going out of one's way to try and hang Rangers supporters. Hmmm. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutralscot 0 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Regarding the post that people shouldn't be taking 11/12 year olds to games on a Friday night. Sorry GS, can't agree with this. Anyone should be able to take their family to the football without fear, especially so in this era when so many working class families have been priced out of physically attending an inferior product. Scottish football is on it's knees enough without discouraging parents from bringing children. Lots of comfortable, cheaper options for entertainment out there. Edited January 18, 2015 by neutralscot 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
barca72 440 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 If the old guy is indeed pushing people about like you claim, would that not count as assault too? Going out of one's way to try and hang Rangers supporters. Hmmm. If we could describe his job as 'Doorman', no doubt part of his duties is to maintain proper decorum in the reception area. Perhaps too, part of his remit is to remove any uninvited or unruly entrants to this reception area by any means necessary. There again he may have decided that the method of entry of these uninvited people was suffice to allow him to act in self defence. Would you like a fly reel with your next fishing pole? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Regarding the post that people shouldn't be taking 11/12 year olds to games on a Friday night. Sorry GS, can't agree with this. Anyone should be able to take their family to the football without fear, especially so in this era when so many working class families have been priced out of physically attending an inferior product. Scottish football is on it's knees enough without discouraging parents from bringing children. Lots of comfortable, cheaper options for entertainment out there. It's the sending them on supporters buses that bothers me. not taking them yourself. Then we have the away game aspect. then we have the Friday night aspect. Then we have the bitching to the press when said kid who you sent with others on the bus, bus get's hit with a snowball and they get scared. Edited January 18, 2015 by the gunslinger 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zappa 0 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Don't agree Zappa. If you look at the video again, when the first lot barge in and the old man is successful in pushing them back, okay; but then the second wave wth the banner almost push the old man off of his feet and just before they raise the banner you can just catch the lady in the background putting her hands on her head in what looks like an act of anguish. A little later you hear her invite everyone to leave. It must have been after this that she sustained her injuries. However, if the demonstrators had left after the first breech of the door then we could have perhaps accepted that we were watching a display of over-exhuberance but subsequent actions were beyond acceptable. By physically brushing the old man aside as he tries to maintain his position and by causing the lady such distress, this is no longer a breach of the peace but an assault. I hate to see bears getting charged but this is beyond acceptable and they must be forced to face that. The employees are not the board. The way I see it is this: If a nutcase breaks into someone's home here in Scotland and in front of witnesses batters them over the head repeatedly with a hammer fracturing their scull in the process they will most likely be brought up on an attempted murder charge but walk away free after pleading guilty to an aggravated assault charge. In some cases they will get a small fine and do some community service. What we're talking about here though, is a minor incident that was far less violent than what happens in pubs and outside them after pub closing time all over the country every single weekend. Such things would previously have been dealt with under a Breach of the Peace charge, but these days if it's football related it will most likely be dealt with under the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act. Your talk of assault charges is really far fetched because for any of those involved to end up being charged with (or pleading guilty to) assault, they would need to have stormed the reception with weapons and started battering people or at the very least thrown and landed some punches. Edited January 18, 2015 by Zappa 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Artagnan 173 Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 The way I see it is this: If a nutcase breaks into someone's home here in Scotland and in front of witnesses batters them over the head repeatedly with a hammer fracturing their scull in the process they will most likely be brought up on an attempted murder charge but walk away free after pleading guilty to an aggravated assault charge. In some cases they will get a small fine and do some community service. What we're talking about here though, is a minor incident that was far less violent than what happens in pubs and outside them after pub closing time all over the country every single weekend. Such things would previously have been dealt with under a Breach of the Peace charge, but these days if it's football related it will most likely be dealt with under the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications Act. Your talk of assault charges is really far fetched because for any of those involved to end up being charged with (or pleading guilty to) assault, they would need to have stormed the reception with weapons and started battering people or at the very least thrown and landed some punches. Quite simply Zappa it was utterly reprehensible - neither George or Liz deserve to be sustainging injuries as a consequence of fans behaviour, and such behaviour should warrant the unanimous condemnation of the Rangers support. Irrespective of the disdain for the board, there needs to be realisation that violence or evincing violence towards is them is totally unacceptable also. We should be discussing the success of thousands of fans uniting to protest against an incompetent and self serving board, not prevaricating on unedifying conduct which resulted in 2 eldery Rangers employees sustaining injuries. If we are to continue to bring pressure on this board & Ashley we need to do much better than we did on Friday. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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