Anchorman 0 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Behave! Leeds history consists of half a dozen years of trophies under Don Revie and a championship win in 1992. Nowhere near the top 5. EUROPEAN CUP 1974-75 European Cup finalists 1969-70 European Cup semi finalists UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2000-01 Champions League semi finalists EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS CUP 1972-73 European Cup-Winners Cup finalists INTER CITIES FAIRS CUP/UEFA CUP 1967-68 European Fairs Cup winners 1970-71 European Fairs Cup winners 1966-67 European Fairs Cup finalists 1965-66 European Fairs Cup semi finalists Edited June 24, 2015 by Anchorman 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersitis 0 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 EUROPEAN CUP 1974-75 European Cup finalists 1969-70 European Cup semi finalists UEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2000-01 Champions League semi finalists EUROPEAN CUP WINNERS CUP 1972-73 European Cup-Winners Cup finalists INTER CITIES FAIRS CUP/UEFA CUP 1967-68 European Fairs Cup winners 1970-71 European Fairs Cup winners 1966-67 European Fairs Cup finalists 1965-66 European Fairs Cup semi finalists You can roll your eyes as much as you like, you've merely confirmed what I said. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anchorman 0 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 You can roll your eyes as much as you like, you've merely confirmed what I said. yep you're right - they have no real history. I take it back 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangersitis 0 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 yep you're right - they have no real history. I take it back Don't be so fucking stupid, every club has real history. You stated that it could be argued that they were just below the top three or four in Britain, something which is patently nonsense. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Barristan Selmy 222 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 To be fair though,both these teams would kick our asses right now,most English Championship sides would!,no?. They would destroy anyone in Scotland and there probably isn't an awful lot between them and Celtic either. That doesn't mean we should put too much stock in those clubs showing interest in a player - they aren't good teams and they sign a lot of poor players. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Barristan Selmy 222 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Two far better teams than us and in a better Champonship than us. Leeds could arguably stand up with most of the best in Britain outside the top 3 or 4 as far as history is concerned.It counts for plenty, or should I say it counts more than your condescending comment to my post would suggest. My feelings (and others) on the player are made even clearer than yours. Nobody is disputing they are not far better teams than us, they are still poor sides in the grand scheme of things. Both those teams would get horsed by just about anyone in the Europa Cup and we should be looking at being a half decent Europa Cup team pretty soon. I'm not sure what the history of Leeds United has to do with anything, all that matters is where they are now. It seems your are completely wrong though - they are ranked 13th in English football for most trophies won. I would challenge you to take a look at the current Leeds United and Sheffield Wednesday squads and tell me all the particularly good players they have? Given their interest in players seems to prove something. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rousseau 9,310 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 (edited) Calm down. I think it's fair to say Leeds have a significant place in history. However, to say that they were just below the top 4 sides in Britain is stretching it IMO. How does one measure history? I checked the number of trophies won (a decent measure, I think). The top English sides are: 1 Manchester United 62 2 Liverpool 60 3 Arsenal 42 4 Chelsea 28 5 Aston Villa 24 = Everton 24 = Tottenham Hotspur 24 8 Manchester City 17 9 Newcastle United 13 = Nottingham Forest 13 = Wolverhampton Wanderers 13 12 Blackburn Rovers 12 13 Leeds United A.F.C. 9 Then the Scottish sides: 1 Rangers 115 2 Celtic 98 3 Aberdeen 19 4 Heart of Midlothian 16 5 Queen's Park 10 6 Hibernian 9 Leeds are joint-13th in the English table, and that would be joint-19th (?) in a British table. Perhaps I took your 'argument' a bit too far, but I thought it was an interesting point. How does one measure history? It's mostly subjective. And, of course, 'history' is unrelated to current form. Then, does one apply greater weighting to English sides because of their greater challenge, or greater weighting to the rank of trophies won? Tricky question. (I think I took it too far...) Edited June 24, 2015 by Rousseau 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Barristan Selmy 222 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Calm down. I think it's fair to say Leeds have a significant place in history. However, to say that they were just below the top 4 sides in Britain is stretching it IMO. How does one measure history? I checked the number of trophies won (a decent measure, I think). The top English sides are: 1 Manchester United 62 2 Liverpool 60 3 Arsenal 42 4 Chelsea 28 5 Aston Villa 24 = Everton 24 = Tottenham Hotspur 24 8 Manchester City 17 9 Newcastle United 13 = Nottingham Forest 13 = Wolverhampton Wanderers 13 12 Blackburn Rovers 12 13 Leeds United A.F.C. 9 Then the Scottish sides: 1 Rangers 115 2 Celtic 98 3 Aberdeen 19 4 Heart of Midlothian 16 5 Queen's Park 10 6 Hibernian 9 Leeds are joint-13th in the English table, and that would be joint-19th (?) in a British table. Perhaps I took your 'argument' a bit too far, but I thought it was an interesting point. How does one measure history? It's mostly subjective. And, of course, 'history' is unrelated to current form. Then, does one apply greater weighting to English sides because of their greater challenge, or greater weighting to the rank of trophies won? Tricky question. (I think I took it too far...) I don't think it's a tricky question, it goes without saying. Otherwise you could say that Linfield's trophy haul is better than Man Utd's. By the way, I had not realised how close Chelsea are creeping up to Arsenal! No history they say? In 10-15 years Chelsea will have won more than Arsenal. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 5,108 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Still a long road for Chelsea to creep. You're only four in front of the Villa. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gribz 743 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 I don't think it's a tricky question, it goes without saying. Otherwise you could say that Linfield's trophy haul is better than Man Utd's. By the way, I had not realised how close Chelsea are creeping up to Arsenal! No history they say? In 10-15 years Chelsea will have won more than Arsenal. 10 years ago that gap was huge about 40 v 15. The roman millions have played the part. But Arsenal have been rebuilding for the long term in that and in 10-15 years Id still bet that Arsenal will be clear of Chelsea. Its a good debate though. Id class Leeds as a sleeping giant and Sheff Wed. There is always the debate about how you define a big club / team: History / Stadia and Facilities / Fan Base / trophy count & on what level / turnover. I always thought of Rangers and Man Utd as the big 2 in the mid 90s. (Pretty sure we beat a full strength Man U side in Aug 1996.) Liverpool and Arsenal for sure in the top 3 in England. Rangers and Celtic still have big ticks in most categories but the TV money has moved the English clubs poles apart. Even Aberdeen and Dundee Utd were decent clubs in the 80s on a Euro level but neither were giants. Leeds are just a bad ran club but have huge potential due to fan base in the local area. Yhey have been in and out of the top flight in pretty much every decade but id class them as a big club. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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