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'Alf Garnett' of the Whitehouse quote: "shithole countries"


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1 hour ago, Rousseau said:

You don't need to paint everyone that doesn't think this is too much of an issue as far right, genocidal nutters, or anything else that "that comes from that general viewpoint"

 

I don't think it's much of an issue. He shouldn't have said it; it shouldn't have been revealed, as it was somewhat private. He should apologise, but that's not going to mean much.

 

We're very close to getting into a slagging match.  

Bill has been quite capable of 'painting' his own Gersnet messageboard persona in previous threads. I only described it for what it was and given that few on here seem to expect the POTUS to conform to any decent standards of his office, I can't imagine them or you being bothered about someone on a messageboard pointing out the 'shithole', when it is a 'shithole'.

 

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Regards what Trump is reported to have said.

Taken by itself, I'd tend to forget about it quickly. Put it together with what has been a growing body of evidence over time, it paints a clear and disturbing picture of the most powerful administration on the planet whose actions and direction have great influence.

 

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Trump successfully polarises debate to the extent that debate on the facts and issues seldom happen.

It's not a unique tactic but I've never seen someone use it to the extent he does.

He's not even the main reason why it's come to this, he was simply in the right place at the right time to take advantage of a general feeling of discontent with how the mainstream political system has developed and for who it works.

 

Craig pointed towards Bush & Blair and the damage they caused and he's right in that in comparison, a couple of words are of no importance. However, I'd say that part of why Trump came to office was because of what the Bush administration did (and Obama thereafter).....and generally, the geo-political and socio-economic situation for the majority is still on a negative downslope.

 

The question I'd ask is what form does it take from here and this is where the Trump administration is currently playing it's part. This is where far-right extremism is knocking on the door and in places, gaining traction. 

 

Clinton or Trump was an electoral choice from somewhere on the outskirts of hell and there aren't many decent choices presenting themselves anywhere in recent times. 

 

Is the biggest problem politicans themselves or is it who funds them?

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Bill can defend himself. Are you belittling a contrarian view? I was merely suggesting that perhaps don't tar everyone who holds views that don't align with yours (left-leaning) as right-wing nutters, or as holding "disturbing" views. It's not "disturbing", it's merely a view. That's virtue-signalling, to me; and, forgive me if I'm wrong, it does come across as a little sanctimonious. 

 

This issue is minuscule. He shouldn't have said it; and I think he should apologise, but it won't mean, or change, anything. So it's one more gaff, to go along with a whole series, adding to the belief that he isn't presidential material; but we knew that at the start of the election process; the guy is not a politician, which is the reason so many voted for him in the first place. 

 

He only polarises debate because people polarise it. The majority, I would suggest, myself included, don't give two hoots about him; I'm neither pro- or anti-Trump. He's an idiot, and certainly not presidential material, but I don't think he's some malign influence. Those that overlook some of the gaffs are not 'far-right', pro-Trump; they're perhaps just a little bemused at the way the narrative paints him as a dark, malign influence, just because it doesn't align with opposing view. The left absolutely hate him, with a strange passion, while I'm in the apathetic middle being painted as a right-wing nutter for being a little bemused at the narrative. That's disturbing to me. 

 

We're all entitled to our views, and they should not be belittled. I just wish we could desist with the scaremongering, polarisation and virtue-signalling. 

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I was accused of being 'alt-right' the other day (not on here), merely for questioning a comment someone made about Trump.  

 

It's a sign of weakness when you want to shut other opinions down.  Neitzsche will be turning in his grave at the cerebral fragility of Western society. 

 

I feel like no politician represents me nowadays - I'm economically Left wing but also patriotic.  Trump is a clown but sometimes the way he winds the pseudo-liberals (my name for the modern Left) up makes me smile.

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22 hours ago, Gonzo79 said:

I feel like no politician represents me nowadays - I'm economically Left wing but also patriotic.

Please forgive me for saying so but I think we limit the distinction between left and right to mere labels of criticism if we only see them in terms of personal economics. There is no shortage of millionaire socialists ... or conservatives living in poverty. For me the essential distinction between left and right wing politics is about the role of the state in our lives and the extent to which it is possible to make free choice about what we say or do. For sure, neither is perfect, it's always going to be a matter of choice. It is my opinion that we must still strive to exist as individuals, however painful that can sometimes be, and do all we can to resist the anthill tyranny of those who "know what's good for you", whatever label they subscribe to.

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The problem these days is that it isn’t so black and white as Left and Right. There are loads of those that label themselves as one thing yet their actions speak the opposite.

 

Our SNP friends are a perfect example - speak of socialism yet have a lot of Right Wing actions - I would call them fauxialists.

 

Same with the Anonymous movement. There are some good intentions there but there are a lot of Right Wing actions. To me, a lot of the hypocrisy comes

from the Left, who often speak of fairness for all but it’s really just fairness for them. (I’m not what I would class as Right Wing for clarity, I would say I am a Liberal).

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