Pacific Quay Musings?

[JohnMc 2,451]

I've not heard much of them recently so it might not have been mentioned but where does Cosgrove sit with the up coming "The Rise and Fall of Anti-Catholicism in Scotland" by Professor Tom Devine? From the previews and interviews I've read it seems the eminent Professor is playing down 'sectarianism' and saying it's really not much of an issue anymore. Indeed the quote I read he said the issues at football aren't sectarianism but simply hooliganism. Seeing as he's widely recognised as the leading historian in the country just now he might even know what he's talking about. I can't imagine that's going to sit well with some. 

 

[buster. 4,808]

9 hours ago, 26th of foot said:

We have chorused this before, entering into a debate or discussion with an opponent insisting on strict adherence to his/her preferred parameter on use of language; is NOT a debate, it's a diktat. DrStu' has banned whataboutery and he insists Rangers supporters must move on, we should forget about the Rangers Tax Case Blog.  DrStu'. like Steve Clarke does not mention Kris Boyd being the subject of sectarian abuse and of course, it weakens both of their arguments. Sectarianism is very much a two way street. Further, Boyd was specifically abused with the word, 'orange' and it's very mention draws light to DrStu's own print statement that Rangers supporters were, "h-u-ns and typical orange wa-nkers". Imagine being lectured on sectarianism by someone who is a perpetrator, whilst said perpetrator is holding a shot gun?

       

There is one cartridge with two shots for whatever club representative (fan) group to publicly use.

 

1. Metaphorically take out /discredit Cosgrove from his lofty platform....

 

2. ....Linked to why he goes on so much about whataboutery, which is at least in part to protect himself...and that it is but a tool that looks to lock the sectarianism issue into a one-way debate.

 

The takeaway point being the wider application of the above rather than just regarding Cosgrove.

[buster. 4,808]

55 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

I've not heard much of them recently so it might not have been mentioned but where does Cosgrove sit with the up coming "The Rise and Fall of Anti-Catholicism in Scotland" by Professor Tom Devine? From the previews and interviews I've read it seems the eminent Professor is playing down 'sectarianism' and saying it's really not much of an issue anymore. Indeed the quote I read he said the issues at football aren't sectarianism but simply hooliganism. Seeing as he's widely recognised as the leading historian in the country just now he might even know what he's talking about. I can't imagine that's going to sit well with some. 

When John Wilson confronted Neil Lennon at Tynecastle it was immediately classified by all the usual suspects as a sectarian attack. So loud was the clamour, he was charged accordingly. However, they couldn't get the sectarian part to stick in a court of law.

 

It didn't deter or stop the usual suspects from promoting an agenda.

 

Nor can you say sectarianism doesn't exist but when they use only one eye to look at the problem, the usual suspects should lose credibility, 

However they still get their lofty platform to preach from.

 

Edited March 12, 2019 by buster.

[Soulsonic5791 408]

Stuart Cosgrove and his double standards could be exposed if our hielan' and islan' run branch of the Ministry for (dis)Information had any interest in adhering to their own charter. But alas, there isn't a snowball's chance in hades of that occurring when ready-made 'stories' by way of sectarianism tidbits are in copious supply thanks to the recurring appearances of 'The Hag', Jeanette Findlay et al on any of their news and current affairs platforms.

 

If Cosgrove isn't a staffer, god knows what he must invoice for in return for imbuing us with his intellectual pearls of wisdom across a range of subjects.

 

Backscratching is paramount in media circles and PQ is a centre of excellence where that is concerned.

[ian1964 10,367]

 

[26th of foot 5,822]

Dear BBC Scotland,

 

As a BBC License fee payer and Rangers season ticket holder, I approved of your actions in the immediate wake of Kilmarnock's manager, Steve Clarke being the subject of sectarian chanting at Ibrox during the Scottish Cup replay. The incident was highlighted on your Sports programmes on both radio and TV. Much needed discussion developed and the incident moved on to the News. The next afternoon's and evening's news was particularly helpful, you showed the section of the Ibrox crowd singing and provided the lyrics at the bottom of the screen highlighted by a bouncing ball. The BBC Scotland conclusion of strict liability to solve this matter has stimulated further debate.

 

Last evening, I sat at Ibrox for the Scottish Cup quarter-final replay against Aberdeen. During the 63rd and 89th minute of the game, the entire Aberdeen section of supporters chorused the very same song aimed at the aforementioned Steve Clarke. This time the subject of the ditty was Rangers manager, Steven Gerrard. The lyric had been changed to inform Mr Gerrard that, "he was a sad orange bastard". Further, there were also choruses of, 'No H-u-ns at Hampden' and, 'Go home you H-u-ns'. I know BBC Scotland is Editorially Fair because you told me so in correspondence. Thus, I was surprised when these incidents were NOT mentioned last evening.

 

Hopefully, this afternoon's and evening's news will once again deploy the bouncing ball?

 

This is most important because during the Steve Clarke sectarian speech discussion, long term contributor to your sports shows, Wullie Miller penned a piece emphasising with the Killie boss. He was grateful that Aberdeen removed him from the East end of Glasgow, like Clarke's move from Paisley to Chelsea. Further, Mr Miller gratitude was based on, "there is no bile in Aberdeen". I know you treat people(s) without favour or discrimination and can rely on both accurate and objective reporting of this matter.

 

Yours Aye,

 

26th of foot.  

[cooponthewing 1,139]

Hats off to 26th on more fantastic work ??

[26th of foot 5,822]

For the Record.

 

On Tuesday night, BBC Radio Scotland's coverage consisted of Big Dick, Wullie Miller, and Neil McCann sat in a PQ studio watching a screen. A triumphalistic Big Dick flashed his usual credentials, "eight Aberdeen players were cautioned, on another day, another referee, at another venue might have booked three or four less. Eventually, the referee cautioned three Rangers players".

 

For the first time this season, an opposition manager was interviewed after the game, Derek McInnes damned Rangers with faint praise, "Rangers are a good team, they've spent a small fortune assembling this side". Big Dick's last two questions were concerning the outrageous eight cautions. I wonder if Steve Clarke will be interviewed post-match tomorrow?

 

Sportscene saw Dandy Don, Jonathon Sutherland shoot the messenger. When Steven Thomson and James McFadden cued the behind the goal camera angle for the Morelos booking for diving/penalty incident involving Consedine, Sutherland's comment was, "ah, the x-ray camera". Jonathon offered no comment, moved swiftly on when Thommo and Faddy declared the incident a penalty and a red card for the Aberdeen defender.

 

Neither Sportsound nor Sportscene mentioned the sectarian and offensive chanting emanating from the Aberdeen fans.

 

Yesterday, BBC Radio Scotland's lunch time news had the sectarian chanting as the headline, by Five O'Clock, it had disappeared from the news lines. It appeared on BBC Scotland's Ceefax service under the headline, 'police look into sectarian singing'. I suspect other news outlets reporting the issue has forced BBC Scotland into brief box ticking mentions. Certainly, no phone-ins, media review discussions, no in depth interviews, ...... etc. Steve Clarke's sensitivity is far more important, or maybe songs about the Ibrox Disaster, Durrant, Gerrard, ..... etc do not fit the PQ agenda?

 

 

[Uilleam 5,367]

Perhaps you should have entitled your observations on BBC Scotland "For the Broken Record",

for that is surely what it most resembles. 

Edited March 15, 2019 by Uilleam

[Gonzo79 13,513]

Dear Gonzo

 

Thanks for getting in touch regarding our reporting on 12 March. We note your comments unhappy that a song directed at Steven Gerrard by Aberdeen fans, during Rangers v Aberdeen, wasn’t reported that evening.

 

In choosing which issues, incidents and talking points to cover across our output each time, our teams base their decisions on the editorial merits of each, taking into account various factors. These are judgement calls rather than an exact science, and we therefore appreciate the feedback that audiences give us when they feel a newsworthy issue or incident has been overlooked.

 

The coverage of recent issues around sectarian abuse and anti-social behaviour at Scottish football games has been fair, and by no means limited to one club. The subject of sectarian singing had been a major talking point again after abuse received by Kris Boyd and Steve Clark – and their respective public comments about that abuse. Our coverage has also recently discussed this issue in broader terms, across Scottish football, asking what, if anything, the authorities, clubs and fans can do about this issue.

 

With regards to coverage of this particular game, unfortunately we are not broadcasting from Ibrox at present due to an ongoing dispute with Rangers, so rely on pictures and sound from our partner broadcasters.

 

In the case of Rangers v Kilmarnock, the issue of sectarian singing was highlighted by Kilmarnock manager Steve Clarke’s post-match comments. However, for the reasons outlined above, in the case of Rangers v Aberdeen on 12 March we were unaware of this issue at the time of broadcast.

 

That said, we have subsequently reported, across our output, the Police involvement; for example:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47576091

 

And on the early and late evening editions of Reporting Scotland on 14 March:

 

“Police Scotland are to investigate reports of sectarian chanting aimed at Rangers manager Steven Gerrard by Aberdeen fans. The alleged incident came during the Pittodrie side’s Scottish Cup quarter-final replay win at Ibrox on Tuesday. Police Scotland say they "are aware of this matter and enquiries are ongoing".”

 

We hope this is helpful, and thanks again for contacting us. Your comments have been registered on our daily audience log, an internal document made available to all our production teams and senior BBC management.

 

Kind regards

 

BBC Complaints Team