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If it hadn't been for the struggle of the ANC, the people of South Africa would still not have the power to change things through the ballot box. Praising De Klerk for saving the oppressors is frankly ridiculous
More ridiculous than praisin the 4th placed manager in the league?
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10 hours ago, the gunslinger said:
11 hours ago, colinstein said:
If it hadn't been for the struggle of the ANC, the people of South Africa would still not have the power to change things through the ballot box. Praising De Klerk for saving the oppressors is frankly ridiculous

More ridiculous than praisin the 4th placed manager in the league?

depends on your budget. Are Hibs spending more or less than those above them ?

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13 hours ago, colinstein said:

If it hadn't been for the struggle of the ANC, the people of South Africa would still not have the power to change things through the ballot box. Praising De Klerk for saving the oppressors is frankly ridiculous

The ANC struggle certainly moved things along but had it not been for De Klerk being willing to at least view the situation and change government policy the struggle would still be going on. Possibly armed foreign insurgents would have become involved but that would only have led to tens of thousands of deaths. The government there had more than enough firepower to resist anything the ANC did.

Around the time I was moving there our tv here was full riots on the streets of Soweto. What our news programmes did not explain was that the "riots" were being carried out by school kids during school hours while their parents were at work. Of course international comment led to an escalation in trouble when the protest was given credence and more folk became involved.

To my mind though, and much as I don't like praising any Yappie, South Africa could have ended up like Syria nowadays had nobody been willing to form a humane change.

As for sanctions - S.A. was working just fine. The oil embargo simply led to them making oil from coal. That's what I went to work at. The only problem I found was getting my money out of the country to take back home.

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Mandela or De Clerk. A bit of a pointless argument really, since the idea the people of South Africa have any more power via the ballot box now than they did under apartheid is fatuous. ANC rule has simply replaced one totalitarian regime with another, where those in power exploit those who are not and grow fat in the process.

 

Perhaps the most disingenuous aspect of the entire affair has been the western socialist claim to have empowered the blacks in South Africa to seize power and determine their own future, which of course is a crock of shite. The left in the likes of Britain simply indulged in another form of tribalism before abandoning the cause of those they professed to be most concerned about.

 

How often do you hear the Labour Party in the UK protesting about the conditions most SA blacks live under? Never, because that would mean criticising the ANC thugs and thieves that Labour lionised for so long.

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By way of illustrating the nature of emancipated black South Africa, I saw the following on Reuters this morning....... six people killed but police" treating as a robbery"

 

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - Gunmen killed six people in an attack on a police station in a small South African town on Wednesday, stealing quantities of weapons and a vehicle in what police were treating as a robbery. 

Five police officers and an off-duty soldier were killed in the attack in Nqcobo, about 800 km (480 miles) southeast of Johannesburg, police spokesman Brigadier Vishnu Naidoo said. 

“This incident happened in the early hours of the morning when armed robbers, or what we suspect is armed robbers, entered the station, randomly opened fire on the police officers on duty,” Naidoo told eNCA news channel. 

The gunmen also shot a bystander who turned out to be a off-duty soldier as they fled in a stolen police vehicle, Naidoo said. 

South Africa’s police minister, Fikile Mbalula, called the attack a national tragedy. 

“The killing of our law enforcement officers robs us of dedicated servants of our people whose only sin was to serve and protect,” Mbalula said on Twitter. 

South Africa has one of the highest crime rates in the world. 

Reporting by Tiisetso Motsoeneng; Editing by Robin Pomeroy

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following the fall of apartheid, the new government was voted in by the majority of S. Africans. The old regime was not. De Klerk was forced to act...willingness has nothing to do with it.

"western socialists "...who exactly are you talking about ?

sasol production cost 4 times as much as oil....not sustainable.

 

might I remind you of Sharpeville

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre

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2 hours ago, colinstein said:

following the fall of apartheid, the new government was voted in by the majority of S. Africans. The old regime was not. De Klerk was forced to act...willingness has nothing to do with it.

"western socialists "...who exactly are you talking about ?

sasol production cost 4 times as much as oil....not sustainable.

 

might I remind you of Sharpeville

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpeville_massacre

You conveniently avoid the point that nothing has improved for the majority of black Sth Africans and has become markedly worse for many whites. So what was it all about? You just substituted one authoritarian cabal for another.

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