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On 28/07/2018 at 09:42, Bill said:

Sometimes the denials become so desperate they start to cross over into comedy. Labour is downing in antisemitism and apparently everyone can see it except you ?

Anyone who still believes that the whole anti-semite thing was not cooked up deliberately to discredit Corbyn's pro-Palestine stand also believes that Demi Lovato can sing. 

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37 minutes ago, alexscottislegend said:

And that is what happens when you don't take control of the banks and are at the mercy of US sanctions. Maduro still has huge support but cannot control what he does not own.

Always someone else's fault. You'd have a great career in the SNP where denial and deflection are premium attributes. 

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48 minutes ago, alexscottislegend said:

And that is what happens when you don't take control of the banks and are at the mercy of US sanctions. Maduro still has huge support but cannot control what he does not own.

I remember receiving Venezuelan trade delegations a few years ago and being surprised at their complete lack of interest in developing business relationships. All they wanted to do was find financial support for their new socialist paradise. Perhaps sending a few comrades to pontificate about the Chavez plan to curb capitalism wasn't the best idea for a trade delegation but it made it plain that the best business decision would be to stay as far away from Venezuela as possible.

 

Venezuela's problems have nothing to do with bank ownership and everything to do with the same old socialist policies that have afflicted so many other countries over the years.

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There is an internationally agreed definition of antisemitism that is universally accepted and used in codes of conduct around the world. This has been rejected by the Labour Party, which has decided it needs to create and use it's own unique definition of antisemitism in the code of conduct it is developing within the Party.

 

Now why would they need to do that?

 

As Labour MP said in parliament the other day, "Under this leadership the Labour Party has become a sewer."

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There are internationally recognised definitions of homophobia and Islamophobia too.  

 

I feel sorry for all the non-Semitic Jews.  They must feel terribly left out. 

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  1. In May this year, Britain’s leading civil liberties NGO, Liberty, overwhelmingly endorsed a resolution at its AGM warning public bodies not to adopt the IHRA definition. Members were concerned that, “by blurring the previously clear understanding of the nature of antisemitism, the IHRA definition risks undermining the defences against it.” They also took the view that by conflating ‘antisemitism’ with ‘criticism of Israel and legitimate defence of the rights of Palestinians,” it threatened to undermine freedom of expression.
  2. On June 15, 27 prominent British Jews concerned about the dangers of conflation issued a statement calling for clarity in identifying what antisemitism is and what it is not. They said: “criticism of Israel is not antisemitic unless motivated by anti-Jewish prejudice” and “criticising laws and policies of the state of Israel as racist and as falling under the definition of apartheid is not antisemitic.”  Two weeks later this statement was endorsed by leading public figures across a range of professions and political affiliations.
  3.  On July 17, 30 Jewish organisations in a dozen countries will be issuing a Global Jewish Statement which urges “our governments, municipalities, universities and other institutions to reject the IHRA definition.” The definition, it says, is intentionally worded so that legitimate criticisms of Israel and advocacy for Palestinian rights can be equated with antisemitism “as a means to suppress the former.” This conflation, it says, “undermines both the Palestinian struggle for freedom, justice and equality and the global struggle against antisemitism”.
  4. Against this background, the NEC code should be welcomed as a principled and useful contribution towards providing much needed clarity both about what is truly antisemitic, and what constitutes legitimate political discourse about Israel and Palestine. As explained by a Labour source in response to a critical article in the New Statesman: “These guidelines cover all the same ground as the IHRA examples, but they go further, providing more examples and details so they can actually be applied.”
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  1. The IHRA definition has never had unanimous support from British Jews. Its adoption by the Conservative Government in December 2016 was swiftly followed by the publication of a Legal Opinion, commissioned by a Jewish-led consortium, warning that the IHRA document was badly drafted and confusing and that it risked “unlawfully restricting legitimate expressions of political opinion”. The Opinion said: “…pro-Palestinian campaigners who, for example, describe Israel as a settler-colonialist state enacting a policy of apartheid, or call for policies of boycott, divestment or sanctions against Israel, cannot properly be characterised as antisemitic.”
  2. The IHRA definition has been used to prevent such criticism of Israel. A headline in Jewish News in February announced: “Supporters of the Jewish state to concentrate on the IHRA definition, in order to highlight that it’s anti-Semitic to call Israel a racist state.” In March, the Israel-Britain Alliance and We Believe in Israel lobbied the Prime Minister to introduce legislation to prevent events taking place on UK campuses under the umbrella “Israel apartheid week” on the basis that to call Israel an apartheid state was a violation of the IHRA definition. This contradicts both the Legal Opinion mentioned in paragraph 2 and the Jewish statement in paragraph 6.
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24 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

There are internationally recognised definitions of homophobia and Islamophobia too.  

 

I feel sorry for all the non-Semitic Jews.  They must feel terribly left out. 

Is that the second or third time you've made the point that not all Jews are semites? Maybe go for it one more time in case there's someone out there who still hasn't got it. ?

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