Bill 13,687 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Imagine allowing Britain to get in a situation where shitebags like Spain and Ireland are dictating terms to us. Are we no longer capable of saying GTF? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 13,345 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 The majority of British people want to leave the EU. The majority of British MPs want to remain in the EU. I didn't expect us to properly leave the EU but the shambolic efforts to please all are nevertheless quite depressing. Strong and stable? More like soft and insecure. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,829 Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 Spain and Ireland are not dictating terms to us. We voted leave, our government decide to ask for a deal. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BEARGER 1,829 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 (edited) The voter turnout at the next GE will be interesting, especially in Leave areas. Will the governments thwarting of the leave vote make people think what's the point? They do what they want anyway? Edited November 24, 2018 by BEARGER 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,829 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Seems that May has now given Spain a written assurance regarding Gibraltar, will this appeasing never end? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonzo79 13,345 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 As a Leave voter who was already apathetic towards general elections, the Brexit shambles has done a really good job of confirming my worst fears about British democracy. Maybe that was the intention all along. A disinterested public is handy for career politicians and bureaucrats at all levels. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEARGER 1,829 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 https://news.sky.com/story/pm-wanted-help-selling-her-deal-instead-spain-and-france-expose-brutal-reality-of-brexit-for-uk-11563861 Her problem, though, is that she is not the only European leader with a domestic constituency to please. On Saturday we heard the Spanish gloating, overly so, about their biggest diplomatic win since the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht. Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez said on Sunday: "Really, regarding the departure of the United Kingdom, we are all losing, and it's especially the United Kingdom who is losing, but regarding Gibraltar, Spain wins. And Europe wins." But more problematic was the French president, who again at the very end of a summit that had gone smoothly, delivered an insight into French thinking that will not go down well in an already highly sceptical Commons. "If we have an agreement we shall defend access to British waters as being part of the indispensable balance - this has been acknowledged in EU27 statement," he said before being asked by British journalists what "leverage" he thought would be able to deliver continued EU/French access to UK fishing waters post Brexit. And the clear implication of his answer was that the ability to veto UK exit from an already unpopular customs union backstop gives France leverage over fishing rights. He said: "It is leverage because it is important as to our future relationship and I do not understand that Mrs May and those who support her very much wanted to stay in the customs union, they would rather favour new rules." This is not helpful for the PM ahead of another Commons debate and cabinet meeting on Monday. It is already being seized on by Eurosceptic MPs and it is the opposite of the sort of intervention designed to help the PM. This is a French president facing his own popularity crisis, meaning some diplomatic victories against a British PM are just too tempting not to mention. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forlanssister 3,048 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Such has been the farce of the "negotiations" that anything other than "No Deal" simply isn't Brexit. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 5,009 Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 10 hours ago, forlanssister said: Such has been the farce of the "negotiations" that anything other than "No Deal" simply isn't Brexit. Correct. From Day 1 planning should have started for no deal. At the same time the EU should have been told what the UK wanted in the full knowledge that the EU would not accept. Negotiation should have started from there over twelve months to an undisclosed fallback position but no further. The ineptitude of the Goverment in general and the naivety of Davis, Fox and Johnston in particular has been mind boggling. Where does my vote go at the next election? Corbyn? Sturgeon? Cable’s successor? I think not. Conservative it is, then, God help us. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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