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13 minutes ago, buster. said:

What has happened is that it has concentrated power in a very narrow sector and undermined democracy in a very significant way.

It pushes monopolies, reduces competition and effects consumers.

Was that you describing the EU?

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18 hours ago, forlanssister said:

You have a habit of implying something then denying your own words.

See post to Scott above

 

 

 

 

18 hours ago, forlanssister said:

 

I'm not scared of f*&k all on here. Socialism has never worked anywhere on this planet, every time it fails it's because "it was the wrong kind of socialism" which I suppose is true given that there isnt a right kind of socialism.

Extreme Capitalism over a prolonged period isn't working.

It needs balance, regulation and IIRC you used the term Capitalism with a Conscious when I had said it's not about Capitalism or Socialism,..capitalism isn't going away but needs a balance with socialism. Use whatever term you want, it comes down to a very similar path.

 

 

18 hours ago, forlanssister said:

 

I guess I qualify for your definition of less fortunate given my particular circumstances so I'm sure you'll agree I know what I'm talking about.

 

On the contrary what we want is a society where people can move forward not one where we are beholden to the state in perpetuity and trapped in the benefits trap.

Agree but it's about balance

 

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6 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Was that you describing the EU?

There are certainly many parts that apply to the EU.

The ECB is as bad as any other central bank out there.

 

You have championed the importance of democracy.

Neoliberalism greatly undermines it.

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10 hours ago, ranger_syntax said:

Cool. 

 

Decades will pass after your noble sacrifice and the European Union has crumbled to dust.  Maybe then historians will judge you as an unsung hero of Brexit; a bit like Jeremy Corbyn.

That must be an example of why those on the Right don't do well in comedy  :D

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1 hour ago, buster. said:

FS brought up the term 'theft' when broaching a possible re-distribution of wealth downwards.

I then asked him his view on the actual re-distribution of wealth upwards during the last four decades.

I was looking for a general conversation on the (re-) distribution of wealth and the tendencies over the past four decades.

FS brought up his family as an example and seemed to presume any such re-distribution would be knocking at his family doors.

The line about someone coming to takeaway any wealth you have created is emotive but I'm fairly sure it wouldn't actually be part of any manifesto or plan wrt the great majority of people.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jeremy-corbyn-considers-plan-to-tax-profit-on-house-sales-p0mt38zjf

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/06/03/jeremy-corbyn-unveils-new-tax-raid-owners-large-family-homes/

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7171119/Personal-finance-editor-JEFF-PRESTRIDGE-Corbyns-plans-tax-homeowners.html

1 hour ago, buster. said:

There are many angles of how the last four years re-distribution of wealth effects us.

You talk about obscene amounts to a few (individuals and Corporations).

 

What has happened is that it has concentrated power in a very narrow sector and undermined democracy in a very significant way.

It pushes monopolies, reduces competition and effects consumers.

Of course the policy of Nationalisation will free up power, abolish monopolies, increase competition and not be detrimental to consumers eh? :D

 

 

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he now faces having to pay £40k a year for her care when she has to go into a home whilst at the same time in the same home there are those who never worked a day in their f*&king lives receiving the same standard of care for f*&k all.

 

Is that a failure of neo liberalism or a success of Corbyn style socialism?

If you don't mind :whistle:

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The situation is becoming worrying. How can we ensure Corbyn isn't scuttled before the next general election? I think his presence as leader is essential if we are to avoid a Labour government.

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On 17/07/2019 at 14:11, Bill said:

If I was a Tory I’d be praying the grizzly antisemite is still Labour leader at the next general election.

So - the 'grizzly anti-semite' has just sacked a Labour peer for anti-semitic comments and the response of some peers is to call for a vote of no confidence in him? That by extension makes them anti-semites!

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I've been down on my luck I doubt I could have gotten any lower but the only way I could get up again was through my own actions, the type of society you want to impose on us would have made that an impossible task. I got a helping hand at a time of need from the social security system and that's exactly what it should be a helping hand at a time of need but unfortunately that isn't the reality which is it is for many a lifestyle choice.

 

There are scroungers on the welfare state just as much as there are scroungers among the ranks of the wealthy. We should aim to eliminate both but that is impossible in a society where 6% of the population own nearly 90% of the wealth. You cannot control what you don't own.

We cannot force everybody into work where there is structural unemployment and in-work poverty due to the gig economy.

 

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27 minutes ago, alexscottislegend said:

So - the 'grizzly anti-semite' has just sacked a Labour peer for anti-semitic comments and the response of some peers is to call for a vote of no confidence in him? That by extension makes them anti-semites!

She was sacked after comparing Corbyn and his inner circle as akin to the Bunker in the last days of the Third Reich, in which she also referenced the film, which was a pertinent analogy if you look at how they are not listening to others in the party which has led to  the potential coup by Tom Watson etc.  Her comments were insensitive and against comrade Corbyn which was enough for her to be suspended and nothing like the views of Chris Williamson, Ken Livingston, Naz Shah and others within Momentum. It is no co-incidence that Labour have lost 100k members over the last year. 

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