D'Artagnan 173 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, pete said: It is already on to orange strips. As predictable as night follows day Pete.... Edited August 25, 2019 by D'Artagnan 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 Is anyone on there attending the game today? It would be interesting to see an honest opinion of the away support reaction to the UEFA judgement - defiance or compliance? 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluedell 5,329 Posted August 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 25, 2019 The obsession with other clubs and what they do is what's got us into this situation. We had got rid of the offending songs for a while (and the atmosphere didn't suffer because of it and we didn't have to resort to Kum Ba Yah, believe it or not) but they crept back in because some fans could see that Celtic were given free reign. We need to decide ourselves what is and isn't acceptable and not base our standards on what other sub-standard clubs deem is acceptable. Likewise Fare. If it hadn't been them, it would have been someone else. Yes, they're biased but the bigger issue is that we're guilty. Clean up our act and THEN we can concentrate on others. 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian1964 10,367 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Bluedell said: The obsession with other clubs and what they do is what's got us into this situation. We had got rid of the offending songs for a while (and the atmosphere didn't suffer because of it and we didn't have to resort to Kum Ba Yah, believe it or not) but they crept back in because some fans could see that Celtic were given free reign. We need to decide ourselves what is and isn't acceptable and not base our standards on what other sub-standard clubs deem is acceptable. Likewise Fare. If it hadn't been them, it would have been someone else. Yes, they're biased but the bigger issue is that we're guilty. Clean up our act and THEN we can concentrate on others. Agreed, it is our own fans that are damaging the club and need to wake up or we will see the corrupt SFA start docking points from us. Ref Kumbaya, just a wee bit of light hearted bit of humour?. As for other clubs, Separate Entity FC, I think the facts should always be highlighted, no obsession from me, just double standards that should be kept alive, IMO. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
der Berliner 3,196 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bill said: Is anyone on there attending the game today? It would be interesting to see an honest opinion of the away support reaction to the UEFA judgement - defiance or compliance? The away support was - IMHO - the main "offenders", as throughout our way back, it was them who brought to unwanted songs back ... until they became acceptable at Ibrox again. It could become quite a problem "controlling" these chaps and their agenda. Fan-stewards and supporters clubs only might be a start. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 What's wrong with Kumbaya anyway? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, der Berliner said: The away support was - IMHO - the main "offenders", as throughout our way back, it was them who brought to unwanted songs back ... until they became acceptable at Ibrox again. It could become quite a problem "controlling" these chaps and their agenda. Fan-stewards and supporters clubs only might be a start. The only answer is for Rangers to stop accepting ANY tickets for away games. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onevision 1,434 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bill said: The only answer is for Rangers to stop accepting ANY tickets for away games. This would be a win win.... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooponthewing 1,139 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 hours ago, der Berliner said: The easiest way to find out is simply checking wikipedia or the lexicon of your choice. Same for racism. Language will not appear ... else we Germans would not regard the Bavarians as Germans. The whole thing is a hydra with many heads, all need to be tackled. - supporters need to see that singing TBB and any add-ons of the FTP variety will be regarded as offensive, sectarian or discriminatory. These songs et al have to stop - for the time being. If need be, the hardcore element shall view this as a ceasefire till we actually get any serious and usable information on the matter. At the end of the day, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech or the like, if you enter Ibrox with your ticket in hand, you agree to the house rules which are set by the landlord. Obviously, common sense should make these people refrain from harming our club. What happens on away days like today is another matter though. Here you would have to rely on things like fan-stewards, who, if need be, need to weed out the hardcore singers. Likewise, it should be made clear to the authorities that weeding these things out is not a thing of days or weeks ... and punishments - if any - need to be made against all offenders, not just us. THIS is actually the main job for the Supporters Liaison Officer. Get the fans and the club together and find solutions. - FARE ... should be questioned and UEFA need to be made aware of their stance and background. Therefore, someone from our support needs to contact UEFA, as FARE`s warped image of racism and sectarianism is blatant for anyone willing to see. - the days of mumbo-jumbo need to end. Everyone with a keyboard can whip up stuff about what is ssectarian or racist or whatnot, to his or her heart`s content. Thus, it needs to be made clear which songs are regarded as offensive by Rangers ... and Rangers alone. We need some legs to stand upon and if the club says: stop TBB and any FTP addons, but give BMG, Derry`s Walls and We`re coming down the road with all barrells, we have something to work with. Else it will continue that others, and mainly agenda driven people will a) tell us what is offensive and b) go to UEFA and cry foul, citing songs which are all but racist or even sectarian. UEFA will not double check this, as they have enough to do counting their CL and EL money. If we have a No-No-Songbook, both club and support can tackle any attacks, fines or penalties. THIS is actually ANOTHER job for the Supporters Liaison Officer. Get the fans and the club together and find solutions. - Them. How come that we get a stand closed after years of inactivity by UEFA? Whereas they get away with all sorts of wrongdoings, from political displays, attacking opposition players, and continually singing their IRAoke? How come that FARE is nowhere to be seen when the chant FTQ or hail hail terrorists? Want to see us dead. How come UEFA does not react to that? It is ominously quiet both here and on FF once I suggest that we should also ask for help or at least oppinions from British institutions, like the Ministry of Defence, Justice and the Home Office regarding the anti-British behaviour at the Scumhut, the unlawful pro-terrorist chanting. Did the Orange Order actually say a single word regarding the hanging of the blow-up dolls? - Tackle media campaigns. Be it ridiculous rubbish from Stewart or articles like McConnell`s in the Herald, who not once mentioned her beloved Hooped Horrors. The pendulum swing gloriously in one direction and the club seemingly looks at it like the bunny at the snake. This is not on. Journalists are not propaganda tools of people with agendas ... and if they behave as such, they and it need to be named and shamed. ... all this just for starters. It wasn’t that long ago on here that another poster was adamant UEFA was even handed in its punishment? You couldn’t make it up! 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
917 191 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 We live in a world where you can self identify as a woman even if you have a ‘boaby’ so I don’t think that arguing the Irish can’t call themselves a race is going to work. What would work is getting Ulster Scots recognised as a race. The reason FARE get away with letting celtic away with their songs is because they aren’t classed as racist, because Scottish protestant isn’t classed as a racial minority. Ulster Scots are a minority however (but not currently legally recognised) and it’s time the likes of the Orange Order realised this & start playing the game. To sum up, the legal position is that you can’t be racist against the ‘majority’ its only racism if directed at a minority (same goes for homophobia, Islamophobia etc) so celtic songs are never going to be classed as racist until we are classed as a race. I don’t agree with it, but that is the game in the 21st century & these are the rules. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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