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Is the Labour Party an ideological cancer?


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11 hours ago, ChelseaBoy said:

Oh my friend, this is no Atlee or Bevan Labour party. The Labour party today does things in spite of what it's working class support really want as it focused on the ideologues in London, not the working class around the country.

 

The Labour party of today has Marxism at it's core and looks for its core support among the hard left ideologues, students, recent immigrants and the unwaged - oh and those silly buggers who would vote Labour because "our family has always done".

 

Any party how can pass policies at their party conference that frustrate Brexit and to allow unrestricted immigration to the UK from anywhere in the world and full freedom of movement to all within Europe whilst allowing full and immediate access to the NHS and benefits is living in an entirely different world to their previously core working class support, as will be seen when and if an election comes in those 40+ Labour leave voting seats.

 

 

I was reading only today of a Spanish doctor married to a British national with a child born in the UK who has been refused settled status and will leave, adding to the 10k shortage of doctors. All my local dentists are Asian, some immigrants; without immigration our NHS would have collapsed long ago. And the birth rate has fallen, so we can manage an influx. It's not true that Labour would have totally unrestricted immigration - that's Telegraph exaggeration. As for being Marxist, I can only opine that I wish it was a truly Marxist party; most people have no idea what Marxism is, none at all.

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2 hours ago, alexscottislegend said:

Only ones I can think of are the likes of Rod Stewart who left the UK because he didn't want to pay 90% tax on his earnings. I wouldn't have minded receiving 10% of his earnings but the only chip on the shoulder I have is about a government who expect to be congratulated on raising the minimum wage to £10.50 per hour - in 5 years' time mind- when it's already £10.55 in London. That's how you become removed from reality when you live in the same world as folk in the super-super tax bracket.

The increase in the minimum wage is going to cause jobs to leave the UK as they'll become too expensive and cause inflation as costs have to increase. People will earn more but there's no guarantee that they'll have any more cash in their pocket or even have a job.

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48 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

The increase in the minimum wage is going to cause jobs to leave the UK as they'll become too expensive and cause inflation as costs have to increase. People will earn more but there's no guarantee that they'll have any more cash in their pocket or even have a job.

Those were similar arguments against the introduction of the minimum wage in the first place.   Has there been any analysis of whether this actually happened?  In as far as those things can be quantified.

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33 minutes ago, stewarty said:

Those were similar arguments against the introduction of the minimum wage in the first place.   Has there been any analysis of whether this actually happened?  In as far as those things can be quantified.

Have jobs moved overseas due to high costs in the UK? Yes.

Has there been inflation due to cost increases created by the minimum wage? Yes.

 

I haven't seen to what extent the minimum wage has had on these issues but it would be naïve to say it had no effect, as it would to say that an above inflationary increase will have no effect on inflation and unemployment.

 

For what it's worth, I am in favour of a minimum wage, and if socialism wants to take credit for it then good on it, but it has to be at a realistic limit.

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16 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

Have jobs moved overseas due to high costs in the UK? Yes.

Has there been inflation due to cost increases created by the minimum wage? Yes.

 

I haven't seen to what extent the minimum wage has had on these issues but it would be naïve to say it had no effect, as it would to say that an above inflationary increase will have no effect on inflation and unemployment.

 

For what it's worth, I am in favour of a minimum wage, and if socialism wants to take credit for it then good on it, but it has to be at a realistic limit.

Agreed.  And it would be very difficult to accurately tie a specific economic trends to minimum wage alone.

 

Its been or is a hot topic in the US, who can hardly be accused of being socialist within their mainstream political parties.  Some exceptions like Sanders aside.

 

 

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1 hour ago, stewarty said:

Agreed.  And it would be very difficult to accurately tie a specific economic trends to minimum wage alone.

 

Its been or is a hot topic in the US, who can hardly be accused of being socialist within their mainstream political parties.  Some exceptions like Sanders aside.

 

 

The US's idea of a socialist and ours are totally different. ?

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To an extent the minimum wage is only a re-allocation of the benefits budget, passing part of the cost on to employers and therefore to consumers ... and in the process reducing corporate tax revenues and increasing the VAT take. The sentimental twattery of ever higher minimum wages is laughable. How high should the minimum be? How about £15 an hour? Or £30 an hour? Or £50 an hour? Or why not call it a political expense and give everyone a £10,000 Xmas bonus too?

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