BBC on Gordon Neely

[der Berliner 3,219]

Ahem ... so we had one guy threatening to do a thing to one boy ... we sacked him on the spot. Now the boy comes about that the employer should have told the police? 

 

John told his parents.

 

If so, why did they not go to the police themselves? And proceeded with it? Did we tell them to keep it quiet? I would assume not.

 

All a bit strange this.

 

EDIT: It is rather heinous to accuse us now of "covering this up". IMHO, the club should seek legal advice on this ...

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[onevision 1,441]

So nothing new to report on this matter other than one paragraph found in the Rangers news.

 

Sure if the club did not call in the cops then they have a case to answer but like db what i don't understand is why the lads parents never went straight to the police? Not trying to deflect from the club responsibilty.

Why was this question never asked by Daly? Strange that a reporter wouldn't ask or does that not fit his narrative?

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[der Berliner 3,219]

Info from Mark Dingwall at FF

 

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It’s never pleasant to have to confront the sickness of child abuse in football.

It’s even more unpleasant to find a section of fans of a club hoping and praying that children were abused at another club in order to deflect from an ongoing, decades-long, history of abuse by what may have been a series of random individuals but which increasingly looks like a linked group at the club they support.

Sadly, this sickness also infects some journalists in Scotland, and elsewhere, who in pursuit of a story have over the last few years sought to pressurise victims into making statements tailored not to unveil the truth but to attempt to muddy the waters and create a situation where ‘one club was as bad as the other.’

I wouldn’t accuse Daly of any of the above but it is instructive to give that background as the small coterie of journalists working in this area are well-known to one another. By repetition and suggestion hunches and prejudice may become ‘facts.’ That is the culture.

By their very nature, predatory paedophiles are secretive and manipulative - often retaining some control of their victims even into adulthood. The most helpful way to encourage victims to come forward is the pursuit of the truth and the examination of the evidence by the police and courts.

With regard to Daly’s latest story it is instructive to re-familiarise ourselves with the facts. Whilst at Rangers there have been two alleged victims of Gordon Neely and one of Harry Dunn - the number of charges and convictions I leave to journalists to inform us of.

The facts with regard to one of Neely’s victims are reasonably well-known - a parent brought an incident to the notice of the club - the same day Neely was called to a meeting with Souness, Walter Smith and former security executive and ex-police officer Alistair Hood. He was sacked.

Despite the parent not wishing to report the incident to the police Alistair Hood’s advice was that it should be - and this was done. 30 years ago that would have been the Strathclyde force. Given Police Scotland’s recent record in losing files it comes as no surprise that they can’t find paper files from a predecessor organisation about an incident 30 years ago. However, we do have two living witnesses to that meeting.

Daly then reports a story about a club employee confronting the child and complaining about the complaint about Neely. This story is again instructive. In claiming the club was negligent it actually reinforces the argument - as soon as a complaint was made Neely was sacked.

The Rangers News clipping about Neely departure is being used in a manner which would lead you to believe the club were complicit in his behaviour. It’s very short and to the point - and why would a Rangers News employee be expected to know the ins and outs of his departure when it’s the subject of a report to the police about an incredibly serious matter which may, or may not, turn out to be true?

The embarrassment for Celtic fans, is of course, the fawning coverage complete with presentations, pictures and shaking of hands which accompanied Torbett’s departure. And, of course, Torbett was welcomed back.

Lastly, the implication is clearly given that Rangers facilitated Neely continued involvement in football when he set up a private vehicle to run soccer classes. No club, or individual, had or has the ability to stop the activities of a private individual when the police can’t. That is an impossibilist scenario.

https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/mark-daly-at-it-again.93571/

 

Mark Daly report, this is. You wonder whether he made or tried to make contact to Souness of Sir Walter. I reckon he didn`t, or else he would have said so. Hm ...

 

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1 hour ago, ian1964 said:

Rangers should now come out and demand a full public inquiry 

If you mean the Neely affair, Rangers should do nothing of the kind. But they should, without delay, say who were the employees of the club who reported to the police, the manner in which the report was made and the police office it was made to. Helen Street, perhaps.

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13 minutes ago, Scott7 said:

If you mean the Neely affair, Rangers should do nothing of the kind. But they should, without delay, say who were the employees of the club who reported to the police, the manner in which the report was made and the police office it was made to. Helen Street, perhaps.

If you check the post above yours, some info has been given there. If you check the thread, a number of people relate what might have happened at the time, i.e. from the police.

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This is from FF

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Rangers response to Mark Daly's Gordon Neely article


‘BBC Scotland’s reporting on these horrific incidents and, in particular, its sensationalist and unfair accusation of a cover up by Rangers is disgraceful. 

'Rangers based its prior description as to what occurred on trusted first-hand accounts from those with personal knowledge of what took place and the appropriate steps taken at that time. To suggest, as BBC Scotland’s Mark Daly has done, that these are invalidated by a short, filler piece in the Rangers News written almost 30 years ago by someone who clearly had no knowledge of the events, or the reasons for Neely’s sacking is nonsense. Indeed, it is shameful.

'BBC Scotland has a history of inaccurate reporting when commenting on Rangers and a string of apologies given to Rangers by BBC Scotland in recent times is clear evidence of this. However, on a matter of such gravity we do not think it is unreasonable to expect better than Mr Daly’s report.

'The important people here are the victims of abuse and we owe it to them to deal sensitively and supportively with the issues they raise. 

'Rangers will do all it can to assist in offering support and counselling to anyone affected. Their wellbeing should be at the centre of every right thinking person’s concern. 

'Ridiculous claims of a cover up against those seeking to deal with such matters in a sensitive manner suggests sensationalism and in this instance point to a desire to attack Rangers as being more important to those reporting these horrific incidents than looking after the victims of abuse.’

 

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9 hours ago, BEARGER said:

It’s a question. If it was my son I would have been proactive. Could be there are family reasons, splits, death or illness. If Rangers have lied they should be hauled over the coals.

What you would have done as a parent has nothing to do with Rangers' situation.
Other than fire Neely and report him to the police, what more could Rangers do?
They couldn't come out publicly and accuse Neely of paedo actions, no charges were laid.
How can we have confidence in Police records when both they and the CPS lose evidence before it gets to court, as in the hanging dolls at Parkhead?
These are all allegations by Daly and it sounds more like Hollicom-assisted guff.
If Rangers did something wrong then they should be punished, as should Hibs who never even reported Neely to anyone.