pete 2,494 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I think Goldson is the slowest of the two but his reading of the game and positioning compensate a lot. When he gets pulled out wide though he has been stripped a few times. Of course every defender can get beat for speed especially when you have players like Kent. I think many forwards are in general quicker than defenders so sometimes defenders look slow. I still smile when I think of Ryan Kent stripping Mikael Lustig and Lustig sitting down pleading to be taken off.? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7 5,106 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Not many pacy centre halves, though, are there? Speed of tackle and good radar will compensate for no sprint capability. A swift full back to cover is always useful. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, DMAA said: The best Rangers centre back of the last 12-13 years is David Weir No it was Carlos Cuellar by a huge margin. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMAA 3,602 Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Bill said: No it was Carlos Cuellar by a huge margin. Who was also slow. My point obviously wasn't really about who was best and who was second best. David Weir was excellent for years but the point is our best centre back (or 2nd best if that is your view) was very slow and it wasn't that we just weren't very good, we dominated. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, DMAA said: My point obviously wasn't really about who was best and who was second best. Your words were “the best Rangers centre back”. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig 5,195 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, DMAA said: Who was also slow. My point obviously wasn't really about who was best and who was second best. David Weir was excellent for years but the point is our best centre back (or 2nd best if that is your view) was very slow and it wasn't that we just weren't very good, we dominated. Yeah, more the point being made than the actual player. Davie Weir was exceptional for us, but probably slower than me. The difference, which is the point you are making, is that the first 5 yards are in the head with a player like that. Positioning and seeing a phase of play before it happens negated Weir's lack of pace significantly. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranger_syntax 3,750 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Not sure Helander is faster than Goldson. Not sure if Goldson is even slow at all. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill 13,717 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 While we’re labelling Goldson, Helander, etc, what exactly is “slow”? I’m not aware there is any specific definition of “slow”. Nor am I aware there’s any routine measurement of any player’s “slowness” by which to exercise judgement. I could be wrong of course, perhaps it isn’t all just hot air. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 2,494 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, ranger_syntax said: Not sure Helander is faster than Goldson. Not sure if Goldson is even slow at all. Goldson is certainly not fast, he has been stripped for speed a good few times 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the gunslinger 3,366 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Davie weir was our best center back of recent times. Cuellar struggled without him and bougherra flourished with him. 0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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