Jump to content

 

 

Recommended Posts

1 hour ago, alexscottislegend said:

Because there's no reason why what works temporarily cannot work on a permanent basis.

The reasons for both are completely different.  Unless you are trying to suggest that running the national rail service in a state of emergency is the same as running it in a "normal" situation.

 

It was EASY to run during COVID as almost everything shut down - ask those same people to run it for profit and you could very easily see wildly different results.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, alexscottislegend said:

No. The state involving democratic participation from key workers - hardly the same thing as a faceless state. And I disagree that every economy is planned- the only stable factor is the unpredictability of the market.

who ?

Link to post
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, alexscottislegend said:

Blackmail in other words. It's already 'elsewhere' anyway; it's a globalised world. National governments are increasingly becoming an irrelevance.

Really? Tell that to the Chinese, Saudi, Russian or US Govts, where else is a national Govt in thrall to  a globalised organisation? 

 

Europe I hear you cry, but that project is falling apart. Just wait till the German courts block the release of funds to pay for Southern Europe and the Brexit tab. Greece is facing even more austerity and reaching the point whereby they may as well devalue, fault on debt and return to the Drachma. Italy's mountain of bank debt v GDP would take the entire budget the EU is planning for Covid bailouts to clear it. Madness. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, ChelseaBoy said:

Really? Tell that to the Chinese, Saudi, Russian or US Govts, where else is a national Govt in thrall to  a globalised organisation? 

 

Europe I hear you cry, but that project is falling apart. Just wait till the German courts block the release of funds to pay for Southern Europe and the Brexit tab. Greece is facing even more austerity and reaching the point whereby they may as well devalue, fault on debt and return to the Drachma. Italy's mountain of bank debt v GDP would take the entire budget the EU is planning for Covid bailouts to clear it. Madness. 

The Chinese are trying to get their mitts on Africa, especially where there are key mineral deposits. Even Europe will become squeezed between the US -China trade wars. Greece had its austerity forced on it by a monolith (EU). Madness all right. Might help if we could rebuild some of the manufacturing we have lost.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, craig said:

The reasons for both are completely different.  Unless you are trying to suggest that running the national rail service in a state of emergency is the same as running it in a "normal" situation.

 

It was EASY to run during COVID as almost everything shut down - ask those same people to run it for profit and you could very easily see wildly different results.

The contradictions of capitalisism; the need to create a surplus which benefits......well, you know.

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, craig said:

Your nice little pension comes about thanks to those capitalist bastards you can't stand.  If you were a true socialist you would demand that you only get the state-funded pension - which is an inconvenient truth to you, the biggest ponzi scheme in the world.

I would have starved to death if I had to rely only on my private pensions. How can I be a 'true socialist' in a capitalist sea? Sometimes you misunderstand my anti-capitalism; it's not based on envy, I recognise (as Marx did) that it was an absolutely essential successor to feudalism which brought hitherto unheard of benefits. But that doesn't mean it is a fixed system for all time. I just think that it has waste at its core and puts profits before people.

Link to post
Share on other sites

31 minutes ago, alexscottislegend said:

Ok you've lost me.

I think Ranger is asking if you are legion, i.e. do you share your user id between many of you so you can spread the joy of socialism to us plebs 24x7 ? ;) 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.


×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.