Scottish Sports Fans Need To Prove They Have Been Fully Vaccinated

[JohnMc 2,451]

2 hours ago, compo said:

I see it this way once Sturgeon struts her stuff at the up coming climate conference she will impose another lockdown and that will give her an excuse to be on your television sets every day .

I know it can be hard to remove the politics from this, but surely this is a public health message rather than a political one? I know opposition MSPs largely voted against it but covid passports have already been legislated in England and will almost certainly be required for similar events as in Scotland. 

 

COP26 is a UN event, being hosted the UK government, not the Scottish government. The cynic in me suspects they chose Glasgow in November to host it so the inevitable climate change and various anarchist type groups who protest these events might be put off by the almost perpetual darkness and shit weather.

I suspect every politician will attempt to make capital from it, Sturgeon included. I'm not sure you can conflate it with the Covid passport. 

[JohnMc 2,451]

2 hours ago, Bill said:

Because it won’t make a blind bit of difference to national Covid infection rates.

 

Its a bit like thinking reducing UK carbon emissions will make a difference to global climate. It’s pure distraction.

Maybe. I think it's about increasing the number of people who are vaccinated, not reducing overall infection rates, only a lockdown of some kind will do that. 

There's little doubt in my mind we're running a herd immunity policy just now. Gambling that enough people who are vaccinated come into contact with the virus, have mild symptoms and so build up a natural immunity to it while the weather is good and the vaccine remains potent in their system. Problem is un-vaccinated people are catching it and some are being hospitalised, for me this is all about 'encouraging' those people to get vaccinated. 

[onevision 1,434]

21 minutes ago, JohnMc said:

Yeah, I can see that. To be fair the state isn't saying you have to get vaccinated, it's saying someone is perfectly entitled not to get vaccinated, but they can't attend large social or sporting events then. I suspect you'll see limits on foreign travel for un-vaccinated and various other restrictions in an attempt to 'force' vaccination without actual legislation. Insurance companies and risk managers are already advising big employers on 'no-vaccine no-job' policies, viewing the risk of a civil liberties law suit being less costly than law suit from someone who has caught covid at work. 

There isn't a snowballs chance that any law firm will be able to prove where any one person has caught covid. Proving a workplace not having enough precautions in place then yes.

[Scott7 5,087]

1 hour ago, JohnMc said:

The cynic in me suspects they chose Glasgow in November to host it so the inevitable climate change and various anarchist type groups who protest these events might be put off by the almost perpetual darkness and shit weather.

I think you might be right.

[Devil's advocaat 1,268]

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Because it won’t make a blind bit of difference to national Covid infection rates

It's not really about covid infection rates per se, that ship sailed when we opened nightclubs and 'vertical drinking' was permitted tbh, the vaccine lessens the chances of you being hospitalised and subsequently dying. 

 

I see Douglas Ross voted against it, and then said he'd vote FOR the same motion in Westminster. So he's not just pish at running the line then eh?.

[Bluedell 5,329]

1 hour ago, JohnMc said:

Yeah, I can see that. To be fair the state isn't saying you have to get vaccinated, it's saying someone is perfectly entitled not to get vaccinated, but they can't attend large social or sporting events then. I suspect you'll see limits on foreign travel for un-vaccinated and various other restrictions in an attempt to 'force' vaccination without actual legislation. Insurance companies and risk managers are already advising big employers on 'no-vaccine no-job' policies, viewing the risk of a civil liberties law suit being less costly than law suit from someone who has caught covid at work. 

Yeah, the 'travel' company that I work for are looking at insisting on vaccinations before travel.

[Bill 13,717]

In my view there are a number of things ....

 

1. Unless there is a medical reason for not doing so, everyone should get vaccinated

2. No one should be forced to get vaccinated but it is entirely reasonable for people in certain occupations to be required to do so

3. Coercing people to get vaccinated will mainly disadvantage those who have already been jabbed

4. The long term, post-Covid implication of adopting vaccine passports now is to limit individual freedom

5. Vaccine passports as proposed are an unprovable solution to a problem that cannot be defined

6. The NHS is already crumbling and well beyond saving

[Yorkie Bear 491]

Has there been any statement on whether those from outside Scotland who have a NHS letter detailing their vaccination status will be OK?

[MacK1950 2,226]

3 hours ago, Yorkie Bear said:

Has there been any statement on whether those from outside Scotland who have a NHS letter detailing their vaccination status will be OK?

Watch all the exceptions for the COP26 event.

[ranger_syntax 3,740]

On 10/09/2021 at 08:20, JohnMc said:

Why is everyone so against this? If it's a choice between this and another lockdown then I choose this every time. Scotland currently has infection numbers of over 6,000, this time last year that number was a couple of hundred. Thankfully most people are vaccinated so the chance of serious illness and death are greatly reduced, but let's not pretend the danger has gone away completely. Glasgow has enjoyed a surprisingly warm start to the autumn, but that won't last and as the colder weather arrives those infection numbers will increase again. 84% of Scots are double jagged, 91% have had one, so in reality this isn't going to affect that many of us. there's a month until this comes into force so time for the rest to start getting their vaccines, which is surely what the purpose of this is.

I understand the nervousness many of us have regarding Rangers ticket office's ability to deal with this, but that's surely preferable to not seeing Rangers at all, despite what politicians are currently saying, that must be a real possibility if these infection numbers continue to rise. 

It's not a choice between vaccine passports and another lockdown.  The government has the option to do neither.

 

This will affect every single person that attends a sporting event with over 10,000 present.  So given the nature of this forum then I suspect it will affect many of us.

 

I'm opposed to it because I don't believe that I should have to share my private medical information with a third party without good cause.  I also don't believe that anybody should be obliged to take the vaccine if they don't want to take it.

 

As far as I can tell the vaccine does not prevent you from catching the virus.  Neither does it prevent you from spreading it.  I does significantly reduce the likelihood of serious illness and death.  If that's all true then the only person endangered would be the person who remains unvaccinated.  So why not let the individual take this risk?  I'm happy to be corrected about the impact of the vaccine on transmission.

 

What is the stated impact of vaccine passports?  How many lives does the government estimate that this measure will save?  Is the N.H.S. in danger of being overwhelmed by the remaining 9-16% of the population?  All questions that the government should have to answer before legislating for this.  Any answer to these questions will reliably turn out to have been exaggerated.

 

Would the vaccine passport survive an equalities impact assessment?  Reportedly black and minority ethnic groups are significantly less likely to be vaccinated.  People throughout public institutions are asked to assess decisions for a balanced impact across protected characteristics.  Is that happening here?  You might worry that the government applies certain practices only when it suits.

 

As an aside this is the thin end of the wedge.  Scotland suffers from an electorate with an inability to critique any government decisions.  It won't end well.