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Decent summary of events from English. You can tell he smells some blood here. And in one sense he can't lose. Either the SPFL or Rangers get stuffed by this and he gets to write about it. He wants this played out to a conclusion and not shut down like Doncaster and his cronies. You have to wonder what they are scared of. Because it's clear they want this stopped and no scrutiny to take place. Rangers should hold on to what we have despite all the clamour for disclosure. Keep them sweating a few more days Rangers. Who knows what other ammunition they might inadvertently provide us.

Yes it's not like he is attacking all Irish clubs or all clubs in catholic countries. Just one club. One like no other, when it comes to harboring, employing, and re-employing, paedophiles.

A certain CEO at the Piggery for sure. He thinks his (place)man is doing a splendid job and probably deserves a raise.

I agree with a lot of that. The Deloitte PR stunt yesterday was a blatant attempt to wrestle back the narrative from days of negative press and collective dismay at how the SPFL have fucked this up. When even the likes of Scrote are highlighting the limited scope of the investigation (basically "look at what we show you and tell us what we want to hear") then you know there is more mileage in this. The lack of any football right now has created a vacuum where stories like this are food for hungry jounro's. It's all they have to write about. In normal times, with games going on this would have been dropped a few days after the initial vote and Dundee handing in their updated YES vote. But now it's the one story guaranteed to sell papers and generate clicks and hopefully more than a few of the press smell blood in the water. They are no fans of Rangers, or friends to us in normal times, but they don't like the arrogance of the current crop at the top of the SPFL either and in the absence of anything else they aren't going to give this up. Ironically, I don't think there will be a better chance for a total clear out of Doncaster and his cabal. Large sections of the press would love to get their scalps and they sense something here too. We need to keep the pressure on. There is no football on the horizon to distract them and the likes of Euan Murray and Tom English have gone too far down the road now that if they somehow decided to back off they would lose all credibility. If Rangers can seem fair and reasonable and feed their agenda for nailing Doncaster they will keep running with this. Celtic can't counter it without exposing themselves because they have so much to gain from the current situation and the SPFL are on their own and exposed to a level of scrutiny and pressure that they never have been since Doncaster came in. I think the request for a copy of the SPFL's whistleblower policy was clever, because I bet it didn't exist before Rangers asked for it. The new EGM request is important and costs us nothing. If we get an EGM, it heaps further scrutiny on the SPFL and forces them to call in whatever favours they still can in order to vote a reasonable request down. I don't think for one minute we will get the 32 votes we need but we can get to a point where we can reasonably say we have tried every avenue short of legal action and been blocked from showing our evidence at every turn. Then it's time for court action and hopefully what we have from the whistleblower will be the end of Doncaster and his cronies.

It's definitely best if it comes from Partick Thistle. The SPFL has announced that they are relegated and hopefully that's a stain that Thistle will want removed regardless of any attempt at half hearted league reconstruction. Thistle have the stronger moral high ground than we do in this. However someone has to challenge this and if Thistle can't then we have to. This is about fixing a vote to get the outcome you wanted all along and blatantly lying and covering things up along the way. If this is allowed to stand unchallenged then this isn't a league any more. It's a rigged farce designed to benefit one club and one club alone. Doncaster and his cronies will feel like they can get away with anything, because after this they can.

There are several things that have to be in place in order to deliver a proper opportunity of achieving a better foundation for Scottish Football’s future. First, a working group should be assembled and must have members from the highest levels of Scottish Football with long-term interest in the future success of the game. We need to agree a set of goals that will be the basis of reconstruction which takes into account current and future wants and needs of media; member clubs’ financial benefits; and sporting integrity as a basis. It is our belief that after speaking to numerous clubs that the appetite for reconstruction is there and the intention is to set up an immediate and focused working group to take on this task. The centre will have to accept and support the will of the members. Ha ha ha. Does anyone seriously think any of this would happen with the current executives in place? They would only do it if they were dragged kicking screaming to do it. Or more likely it could only happen if Doncaster and his cabal were turfed out and a new Chief Executive, Legal Representative and Chairman were appointed. How about Dundee grow some balls and call for that. Then they might claw back an iota of respect.

Spot on. No amount of spin is going to get them out of the hole they created for themselves when they didn't stick their guns and reject Doncaster's attempted bribery out of hand.

What planet is MacLennan on and what credibility does he think he has left? At the weekend he exonerated Doncaster and Laidlaw of any wrongdoing and said that everything had been done properly. A not so polite "Shut up and fuck off while we wait for Dundee to hand in their Yes vote after they accept whatever crumbs fall of our table." Now, at the threat of an interim interdict from Partick Thistle, he says "Oh we might have to have a look at what happened on Friday after all." Perhaps he is planning that the SPFL should employ the same investigators who are going through the emotional carnage generated by Celtic Boys Club on behalf of its Separate Entity - so that after a lengthy and uncommitted search through the long grass we'll still have no answers in 3 years time. The sooner this useful idiot is shown the door the better.

Yes and it's nice for Rangers not to feel alone in this struggle, as has happened so many times in the past. We have to keep the pressure on until the rats are cleared out.

In normal times when things could be done face to face between individuals with no record kept, I would agree with you Buster. But if this was all done via remote electronic meetings, emails and whatsapp then it's possibly to track it and verify who said what to whom and when it was said to establish the exact timeline. There are too many threads in too many places for just the SPFL to cover up. Somehow there has to be a push for an independent investigation and if that means the police coming in an seizing evidence while that investigation goes on then I'm all for it. If the SPFL really have nothing to hide ? then they would be open to scrutiny. We all know they have plenty to hide here.

Purely coincidentally of course.

The obvious question is, on whose authority are any of these offers being made? Dundee don't control the SPFL purse strings so who has apparently given them authority to make any kind of offer to anyone? I think we need to be told. But I'm sure we won't be.

I agree. I think the positions will ultimately get called as they stand but the problem is the resolution presented for the vote had all the titles, promotion and relegation strands interwoven into it. Clubs couldn't get their money unless they agreed to declare Celtic champions, Dundee United champions and the three teams bottom of the leagues as relegated. It was accept this or don't get your money when you are desperate just to survive. They could have done it differently and limited the damage to member clubs. They chose not to and said take it or leave it expecting to get the outcome they wanted. Whether Celtic are gifted 9 in a row is less important than ensuring that meaningful change comes to the top of the SPFL. Doncaster and as much of his corrupt cabal as possible are cleared out and maybe we get some balance back to the organisation that is meant to look after the interests of all clubs - not just Celtic. That's a fight worth fighting but it will take other clubs to grow some balls and stand up for themselves here too. Not just leave Rangers swinging in the wind as they have done so often.

Exactly. And you can only wonder why it had to go through now, in so much haste, and presented as a take it or you don't get your money scenario to most clubs? Who could possibly stand to benefit most from such an outcome? It couldn't possibly be a certain team across the city. Do you seriously think any form of league reconstruction would have been on the table if they had got the votes they needed for this to pass on Friday? Any proposals would have got the same treatment as Rangers' proposal got on Thursday, i.e. deemed somehow "incompetent" on whatever technicality they fancied dreaming up. Celtic would get their tainted title and Hearts and Thistle and Stranraer would have been fucked and that would have been the end of it.

Dundee can only revoke that vote because the result was not declared - because the SPFL didn't get the result they wanted. If the vote was genuinely outstanding and they didn't already know that it was a NO (no laughing at the back there) then common sense as well as the legality of the vote would dictate that no information on any of the outcomes should have released until all votes were in or the legal deadline for voting had elapsed, as per any established voting process. Basically we should all still be in the dark and potentially waiting 28 days to hear the outcome. Instead that principle was thrown out of the window and they released as many votes as they had to make it clear that one more YES vote was all that was needed while they went back to Dundee with all the pressure and sweeteners they could muster to get the outcome they wanted. Absolutely we have to focus on the process and the mechanics of the vote because those have been flouted to ensure that the "right" outcome was reached by whatever means. That's where Rangers and other clubs have their strongest case and Doncaster and his cronies will find it hardest to wriggle out of it. I hope the whistleblower has some really damning evidence. The way the SPFL are doubling down with every response, we are going to need it.