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Uh oh looks like someones house of corrupt cards are in danger of falling down. I think a full judicial revue of everything that went on during our admin, the subsequent blood lust that lead to the 3 way agreement, illegal fines, bans and our monies that were stolen. The SFA has left themselves open to corruption charges, not to mention the old SPL and the clubs that shared in the fraudulent taking and misappropriation of our money.

If they want 3M for Goldson, make it 2M (+ 1M when he's played XX amount of games)

I spoke to Frankie about this last week as its been something have been deliberating approaching for a while? It was only listening to a programme on talk sport last week that reminded me. The programme highlighted that the biggest killer in men under 45 in the UK in suicide. The programme itself was quite informative and as I and the resident psych student (midd life crisis student) I thought this would be a good idea and Frankie agreed. The point of this thread being here is its somewhere you/we can come if there is something bothering you. It doesn't matter what it is or how little or big you may think it is or isn't. If its bothering you and you don't have anywhere to to go for advice or just need to get something off your chest, then post it in here. There is a very good chance that at some point things may get hard to cope with for many of us. Be it anxiety/depression/PTSD or any of the other mental health issues. In my case it was and still is PTSD which I cope with as best I can. So on that note, this thread is sacred. No fuckery or taking the piss please. If someone posts something here take it seriously and offer a bit of advice (If you feel you can?). I will try to check it regularly and if everyone else has a look now and again we will all be sorted. There are various great organisations that offer help and advice specifically for guys too such as.... https://www.thecalmzone.net http://www.menandboyscoalition.org.uk http://breathingspace.scot There are lots of others out there and those are just a few examples. Cheers, Coop

When SDM lost interest we ended up with no representation in Scottish football & the yahoos moved their placemen into positions of power. Whilst it’s good to see our chairman rounding on them I wouldn’t build up too much hope at the moment. This will be a long process getting rid off these people

For several years I have taken a keen interest in goings on at Auchenhowie, getting along to watch the youngsters whenever I can. Admittedly due to becoming a father, these opportunities are rare these days but I still like to keep up to date with goings on as best as I can. So when I hear the training centre getting tarred as a ‘Youth department that fails consistently’ that irks me to say the least. https://fourladshadadream.wordpress.com/2018/05/29/rangers-failing-academy-and-mark-allen/

RI still think there's a player in Ryan Hardie, somewhere.

I agree, but we'd be better focusing on the placemen in the SFA and the SPFL at the moment...A narrower focus on who these guys are and the links to a certain club...stuff that can't be airily denied and waffled about

King has called for a second independent investigation. https://rangers.co.uk/news/headlines/chairman-calls-for-second-independent-investigation/ Looks like the Club are finally showing some balls with these things. Long may it continue.

Free the Pisa one.

Well done Dave King. Those rat bastards have been hiding in plain sight for far too long.

Dave King stepping up like...

McGregor will be our number one and I can't see Wes being content as a back up. He'll be on his way because I'm pretty sure Championship clubs could match the wages we're paying him

The 'impact' part was not a debate regarding whether or not it was 'a great idea to post what is being posted elsewhere'. Rather, it was over the ridiculous notion that Gersnet was giving publicity oxygen to something that had that a thousandfold over without our involvement. Some of us do think - nice of you to tell us what we should do, though, especially as we've also just been told how and what to think by another poster. Some of us are too old and been around the block too often to dance, but thanks for letting us know that in an Admin controlled environment of a fans' football forum, Ian should carefully weigh up each and every one of the many items he goes out of his way to share with his fellow fans. For this, he has my thanks and gratitude and sympathies for the way in which this thread has turned out.

Into them rangers

Edit by craig : Please see official site for full article. The club have asked us to not post the entirety of official site articles so the club gets the hits on the website

It was Neil Cameron of the Herald who posted that Private Eye clipping last summer. It's interesting that many of his media colleagues like to explore Scottish fitba regime change - unless it involves exposing or removing Rangers haters.

The attacks on the youth academy and Mark Allen are over the line. What is wrong him? Further evidence that the DR (as well as the BBC) have little interest in healing relations with Rangers and are enjoying having free reign to attack the club and anyone related to it. You’d never see anything vociferous like this written about any part of Celtic.

Also throw in the likes of young Gilmour moving to Chelsea, it takes more than talent to get into any first team, they have to push themselves as hard as they can. The Liverpool LB Robertson was rejected by the scum for being too wee!.

Rangers boss Steven Gerrard lines up Spanish training camp ahead of new campaign STEVEN GERRARD will put his Rangers squad through their paces at a training camp in Spain next month as he steps up his preparations for his first campaign in the dugout. The Liverpool legend officially starts work as Gers boss on Friday after agreeing a four-year deal with the Light Blues. Gerrard will be joined by assistant manager Gary McAllister. And the former Anfield heroes will waste little time in getting down to business as Rangers gear up for the Europa League qualifiers and the upcoming Premiership campaign. Gerrard’s side will spend ten days training at a camp from June 17-27. The 37-year-old has already added new recruits Scott Arfield and Allan McGregor to his group this summer. And more fresh faces could come on board before the Gers jet out to Andalusia next month. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/rangers/16254441.Rangers_boss_Steven_Gerrard_lines_up_Spanish_training_camp_ahead_of_new_campaign/

If there is quality there will be a pathway, eg. Ross McCrorie. It takes a special youngster to be able to handle all aspects of a step-up to the demands of the Rangers first-team and stay there. That's why over the years there are countless stories of promising youngsters that come to nothing or leave and have a career elsewhere. ie. First and foremost, we need to produce quality .

It's really quite sad when we constantly read supposedly senior football writers in Scotland fail to offer any sort of balance in they way they cover Rangers. By all means be critical but at least be fair and, above all, accurate. The Daily Record is a regular embarrassment and Keith Jackson really has taken this to a new level. Rangers is not a club without its failings. It's relationship with the media is a poor one and some of the criticism aimed at us in that regard has merit. Indeed, RFC fans are hardly glowing in praise of its PR work. However, some journalists are beyond objectivity when it comes to our club. It's worth adding that I'm not always convinced banning organisations and their reps from Ibrox is the best strategy but if and when it does happen, Rangers need to be completely clear in why that approach is chosen and maintained. If Jackson intends embarrassing us on a daily basis, then we should do the same where appropriate.

Too much of the time the team was 'playing' around a less than active Windass. We need consistent performers

The restored Tom Vallance painting was unveiled last night at the top of the Marble Staircase at Ibrox Stadium. We’d like to thank artist Helen Runciman, Club 1872 and Rangers Football Club for their assistance with this project.

Another three people are killed in Belgium by some lunatic shouting Allahu Akbar. It strikes me that what, just a few years ago, was a major headline for days on end is now hardly noticed in the constant stream of atrocities perpetrated by a religious cult we are no longer even allowed to name. It just washes over most people like the latest celebrity divorce. Thousands of gang-raped white teenagers across the UK, it seems sometimes involving both police and councillors, escalating everyday violence across the country, mass prayer in the streets of Britain, child rapists excused custodial sentences on a weekly basis, effective no-go urban areas where sharia law takes precedence, judicial gagging orders to prevent press reporting or even social media discussion of (code word) Asian crimes, police recruits given special Islamic cultural training including visits to mosques and living with muslim families. Can anyone help me understand what the f**k is happening in our country and what kind of home our children can expect to inherit?

Its a cracker. Wheres my tax break ffs ive put tens of thousands into scotland. My reward ive to go for jobs against foreign candidates who will earn more than me if succesful. Morons.

Are the SPFL suggesting there’s no links between Desmond & MacLennan ?? Looks pretty clear cut to me. Is this acceptable?

While I do expect more the guessing game will no doubt become tedious.

He's one of these young players for who an awful lot is expected, whether that'll ever be fulfilled is another matter. He's already a Wales international although I suspect that was fast-tracked as England were trying to persuade him to represent them. He scored the winner in his second match for Wales too. He needs to start playing regular first team football that's for sure.

The arguments for and against have been made and I'm going to lock it now so that we don't end up going round in circles. What I would say is that nobody is telling others what they can and can't do. All that is being offered are opinions. and people are free to continue to make posts like this until Admin say otherwise.

Wonder if this is what they were on about a few days ago?

regardless as what anyone shouts as they murder ,all murderers should be executed. Might make them think twice .

Rumour going around about PSFs: Wigan and Bury at Ibrox, july 6 and 8th respectively. If true, not the most inspiring and probably won't tempt me to make the trip, but I suppose we need minutes before Europa League qualifiers, and top teams won't be back for pre season at that point. Hard to see both actually taking place at ibrox within two days of each other. Wigan maybe but Bury seems perhaps more suited to behind closed doors

the opiat of the people, encouraged to divide the working class

Is it a failing of the youth academy though, or a failing on the 1st team, for not using more younger players? As far as I can tell, the youth teams are performing admirably under Craig Mulholland's watch and producing some genuine talent. I think it's a bit of a catch-22. We need to blood in some young players, but the 1st team can't afford to take the risk, as the support demands that we win every game. And if the demands on the team are too much, we need to play proven 'talent' to try to win every game. To break through, the player needs to be of an exceptional quality and even if they are, the pressures to give 110% all of the time must be ridiculous. I think the idea of playing the reserve or B team in the lower leagues/cup matches would have bee a good way of getting the boys experience. But I'm pretty sure that was vetoed.

I'd highly recommend the film "Get Out". About a coloured guy who goes to his white GF's parents house for the weekend....very good film!!!

One part that the article didn't really touch on is that while there are are few youths who have made it to the 1st team squad, there aren't many who are getting regular game time. That aspect could be seen as a failing. It is counter-acted by the fact that they mention several very promising players who are coming through & could well be knocking on the 1st team door in the near future. I definitely think it's unfair to say that the academy is "failing"....under-performing in recent years is maybe more accurate....but you also have to factor in the the Managers player preferences - some are hell-bent on bringing youths into the 1st team, some prefer to buy players in.

Beware: A sly plan by Andrea Agnelli to make the Champions League dull For Andrea Agnelli, Serie A is not working. And if it is not working for the man whose team have won Italy's title for an unprecedented seven seasons straight, imagine what it must be like for the rest of them. Agnelli is the fourth member of his family to serve as chairman of Juventus. In his first season, 2010-11, the club finished seventh, after which he appointed Antonio Conte and hasn't looked back. Yet it still isn't enough. To dominate domestically doesn't make Juventus — revenues last year £491.5million — enough money. 'The Serie A product has come to one of its lowest moments,' Agnelli complained. Aston Villa have a bigger ground than Juventus these days, while 50 per cent of a new television deal worth £916.7m will be split equally among the Serie A clubs, in the hope of promoting competition. At the moment, only 10 per cent is subject to an equal share. You can imagine what Agnelli thinks of that. For Juventus chairman Andrea Agnelli, who has seen his team dominate, Serie A is not working Actually, you don't have to, because he's done the imagining for all. Last week, Agnelli launched his plan to screw even more money out of football — sorry, reshape the European game for the greater good. He wants to change the Champions League format so the group stage alone will last 14 games. He wants more matches for elite clubs, and less commitment to domestic football — and he wants a closed shop. Except he didn't mention a closed shop. You had to read between the lines on that one. Agnelli's plan — and, do not forget, this is the chairman of the European Clubs' Association talking — is for eight groups of four to become four groups of eight in the Champions League. 'We want more European games and less domestic,' he said. 'Whoever participates has to play in the national league with six Under 21 or Under 23 players.' We'll get to the unexamined ramifications of that in a moment. First, let's see how an eight-team league could shape up. It's easy enough. We can take the 2017-18 Champions League groups and amalgamate: A and B, C and D, and so on. So Group 1: Manchester United, Basle, CSKA Moscow, Benfica, Paris Saint-Germain, Bayern Munich, Celtic, Anderlecht. We can see the beginnings of the flaws already. Two clubs, at least, look certain to qualify and could be playing dead rubbers, or fielding weakened teams, long before the conclusion. Manchester United will be fairly hopeful, too. Italian giants Juventus have won Serie A for an unprecedented seven seasons straight So 56 matches to pretty much locate a fourth-placed team. Then there is the travel. Do Manchester United's supporters have the finances for trips to Switzerland, Russia, Portugal, France, Germany, Scotland and Belgium — and this before the business end of the tournament gets under way? Meanwhile, Group 2: Roma, Chelsea, Atletico Madrid, Qarabag, Barcelona, Juventus, Sporting Lisbon, Olympiacos. A strong field but with three clubs from eight having no chance whatsoever. One of the problems of the Champions League first stage is the 2 v 2 split: a group that has two strong clubs and two also-rans. Barcelona and Juventus, against Sporting and Olympiacos, for instance. Quite often, after the fourth game, what remains is meaningless. Now think of that in a 4 v 4 split. Groups could be as good as over after eight games, leaving dead fixtures for some. Who wants to watch that? Who will tune in for Qarabag v Olympiacos with nothing on it — or even Barcelona versus Sporting, one already through, the other already out. This is a dismal plan. But the devil, as ever, is in the detail — or in this case, in the lack of it. Wind back to Agnelli's suggestion that elite clubs field age-group teams in domestic league matches to compensate for increased European engagements. He doesn't say it but right there are the seeds of a Champions League closed shop. There is no way the elite could play their youth teams for a third of the season and be guaranteed top-four finishes. Have a look at what happens in FA Cup ties when the Premier League clubs go weak. Jurgen Klopp played the kids plus Daniel Sturridge at Exeter in 2016 and almost got knocked out. Arsenal dialled down at Nottingham Forest this season and conceded four to a club with no manager. Agnelli wants to change Champions League format so the group stage alone will last 14 games If Manchester United played their Under 21 team against mid-ranking Premier League clubs they would lose — and probably lose enough not to finish in the top four. So Agnelli's four-group, 32-team Champions League would have to come with certain guarantees to its members. Devaluing domestic competition would mean league positions could not be used to decide entry. So what would? The only criteria men like Agnelli understand: wealth. The survival of the richest. He, and like-minded saboteurs of fair sport, would cherry-pick the entrants and there they would remain. Do not imagine a club such as Juventus could get relegated from Agnelli's world. There would be no Leicester-like fairy tales, either, no surprises, no romance, nothing that is new — just a procession of the same old names, playing the same old fixtures, the majority of which will mean even less than they do now. Agnelli would make the Champions League as dull as Serie A, as dull as the Bundesliga, as dull as the Scottish Premier League, or any of these competitions in which one club are so politically and economically powerful their success is guaranteed. And when that boredom multiplies, as the world switches off, Agnelli will seek the solution in his next revolution. And he will decide that what the people want, once again, is for Juventus to become even richer than they already are: because his sort always do. Agnelli's plans would make the Champions League as dull as the Italian top flight http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5780327/Beware-sly-plan-Andrea-Agnelli-make-Champions-League-dull.html

".....In a statement released to Record Sport yesterday an SPFL spokesman said: “Murdoch informed the SPFL Board in advance of taking up a board position with Independent News & Media Group of Ireland. This followed him stepping down from his role as deputy chairman of the Telegraph Media Group. There is no conflict of interest between Murdoch’s role with INM and his role with the SPFL............” -------------------- ForlanS has already posted this but it's worth another airing........."Shifty McGifty" Did he take a libel action against Private Eye and if not, why not ? Lots of other clipping about Shifty https://www.google.es/search?q=murdoch+maclennan+private+eye&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2077MparbAhUBkBQKHXgxDskQ_AUICigB&biw=1164&bih=774#imgrc=-rNksJLSDDcB5M:

I don't give the proverbial flying about converting people to my way of thinking. If they don't get around to accepting obvious reality all on their own it's not my problem till they start trying to enforce it on everyone which has been a habit of religion for millenia. Galileo Galilei was placed under house arrest for life due to the fact he had looked through a telescope and see with his own eyes that the Earth was not the centre of the universe with everything else orbiting around it. He offered to show them the proof but they declined as the religious fanatics do to this day with the likes of evolution. These fanatics did not willingly give up the power to imprison Galileo nor burn Giordano Bruno alive for stating that he thought the stars were suns just like ours. It had to be forced from them and for all these reasons and more I personally don't go out of my way to respect any fairy story simply because someone with not a shred of evidence to support it decides to believe it. I have no idea what anyone with conservative (small 'c') views has to do with being a religious crackpot. As for the Irish as far as I can see they think they have won a victory over centuries of religious dogma. Flags and face paint appears to be a typical modern celebratory activity in any field including football.

Do as you please

If you refer to CQN/Brennan, I think that was/is a very different animal.

An Ambassadorial role is ceremonial. DJ isn't there to win a PR war, he's there to smile and shake hands.

On the 27th May 1856 the Rangers great that was Tom Vallance was born. To quote his Rangers team-mates from the 1870’s ‘’ The whole of Rangers loved him like a brother’’ Tom was born at a small farmhouse known as Succoth near Renton in the parish of Cardross. When young he moved with his family to the Old Toll House at Shandon on the Gareloch. Tom came to Glasgow in the early 1870’s following the path taken by his friends whom he’d known since childhood the brothers McNeil and Campbell . Tom Vallance had an astonishing 60 year association with the Club, and his is an incredible CV. He was a master oarsman, a champion athlete (he set a Scottish long jump record of over 21 feet), he studied at the Glasgow School of Art, had paintings accepted by the Royal Scottish Academy and was Rangers Club Captain and President for many years. We have recorded details of Tom Vallance being present at the ceremony held on 1st January 1929 which saw the opening of the Main Stand at Ibrox and also at a dinner which was held in the St.Enoch’s Hotel after a Rangers match in 1933 when we faced Sporting Club of Vienna. He was also a guest of the Club at the New Year’s Day fixture that season against Celtic. So, the lad who was present at Fleshers Haugh in 1872 was still attending Ibrox some 60 years later where the Club that he’d helped form and nurture were now playing in front of crowds in excess of 100,000. Tom was a very successful business man. He had The Club restaurant at 22 Paisley Road West which today is the Viceroy Bar, The Metropolitan which stood on Hutchison Street in the Merchant City area of Glasgow and the Lansdowne which was at 183 Hope Street. Tom was having the Rangers results wired to his restaurants for the benefit of his patrons as early as 1890. When Rangers moved to First Ibrox in 1887 it was said that it was common for Club President Vallance to be working the turnstiles on matchday. At the opening of the Main Stand in 1929 Tom Vallance recalled the facilities being so cramped at the Rangers ground at Kinning Park that the players would have to wash in basins of cold water in the open air. It was the teenage Tom Vallance who helped lay the very foundations upon which our Club was built, hard-work, discipline, honesty, integrity and fair play . Mr. Struth said during that famous speech “No matter the days of anxiety that come our way, we shall emerge stronger because of the trials to be overcome. That has been the philosophy of the Rangers since the days of the Gallant Pioneers” Tom was paid the ultimate accolade by the Club in May 1898 when he was made a life member. As a lasting tribute to the incredible contribution he made to our Club we had Tom put on to canvas by way of a painting by artist Helen Runciman . Tom Vallance has now taken his rightful place at the top of the Marble Staircase alongside his friends and fellow Founders. Tom died on 16th February 1935 aged 78 at 189 Pitt Street Glasgow. He is buried in Hillfoot Cemetery in Bearsden and his funeral was attended by Mr. Struth, Chairman James Bowie and his old team-mate James McIntyre who both took a cord. Incredibly ,players from the Vale of Leven team whom Tom had faced 60 years earlier in 1877 were also in attendance. Tom was one of the originals, one of the greats. Today we celebrate the life of Tom Vallance.

Well done to you guys keep up the good work

That season was the high water mark for me. We had many great days after that but we never again competed in Europe with such authority and style. The shocker is that was 25 years ago.

As far as I know being a part of Britain was not a part of Rangers history at any time. It was with the arrival of Irish that some supporters linked it but as far as I know the club have never had any political slant for or against

Most of the time on these forums we enjoy a great debate and argument about all things Rangers. Now and again however there's an element of our support that surfaces which in my opinion is distasteful and embarrassing. I suppose this element exists in society, and as we've discussed on here before, our support is largely representative of the wider society. It therefore shouldn't be a surprise that we see a representative sample of that in some postings on here. Thankfully, this forum seems to be subjected to it far less than others, which for me is a good thing.

Not sensitive at all my friend, I just hold some different views from you, which really isn't an issue, as The Rangers is a broad church of people who are allowed to think and act as an individual. Unlike some others...

I'm raging at this,.....there'll be no resale value.