andy steel

Not a legend in my eyes, but this does elevate him above the crowd a bit:

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Bodhisattva Miller.

Fair points, but not when it comes to elections for me.

Looking at how much Warburton has spent assembling his side, I was wondering how much we could reasonably value the players at, as we approach the end of this season. These aren't the values I think these players are worth, but what Rangers would hope to sell them for - taking into account the extra clubs add for being in a strong position re.contracts, and the great slicks of cash washing about down south.

Random valuations from http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rangers-fc/kader/verein/124/saison_id/2015

Cammy Bell

Keeper

Sep 18, 1989 (29) Scotland 30.06.2017 £188k I'd have said free.

25

Wes Foderingham

Keeper

Jan 14, 1991 (25) England 30.06.2018 £188k Wouldn't take less than £1.5m

30

Maciej Gostomski

Keeper

Sep 27, 1988 (27) Poland 30.06.2016 £188k Errrr...

27

Danny Wilson Danny Wilson

Centre Back

Dec 27, 1991 (24) Scotland 30.06.2018 £375k About right, probably.

4

Rob Kiernan

Centre Back

Jan 13, 1991 (25) Ireland 30.06.2017 £338k I'd ask for nearer the £1m mark.

6

Dominic Ball

Centre Back

Aug 2, 1995 (20) England

Northern Ireland 31.05.2016 £38k

5

Lee Wallace

Left-Back

Aug 21, 1987 (28) Scotland 30.06.2017 £638k Fair enough.

2

James Tavernier

Right-Back

Jan 27, 1991 (25) England 30.06.2018 £300k Pfft! Try £1.5m - £2m.

16

Andy Halliday

Defensive Midfield

Oct 11, 1991 (24) Scotland 30.06.2020 £263k Again, get real. Nothing under the mill & probably a lot more.

7

Nicky Law

Central Midfield

Mar 29, 1988 (27) England 30.06.2016 £263k I'd take that.

8

Gedion Zelalem

Central Midfield

Jan 26, 1997 (19) United States

Germany 31.05.2016 £188k

23

Jason Holt

Central Midfield

Feb 19, 1993 (22) Scotland 30.06.2020 £188k Nearer £500,000 for me.

11

David Templeton

Left Wing

Jan 7, 1989 (27) Scotland 30.06.2016 £188k I doubt even England is mad enough to pay that.

17

Billy King

Right Wing

May 12, 1994 (21) Scotland 01.05.2016 £225k

19

Barrie McKay

Left Wing

Dec 31, 1994 (21) Scotland 30.06.2017 £131k Nothing under the million. Real talent.

15

Harry Forrester

Left Wing

Jan 2, 1991 (25) England 30.06.2016 £113k

29

Michael O'Halloran

Right Wing

Jan 6, 1991 (25) Scotland 31.05.2020 £375k Don't know yet!

22

Dean Shiels

Secondary Striker

Feb 1, 1985 (31) Northern Ireland 30.06.2016 £188k Bite your hand off.

33

Martyn Waghorn

Centre Forward

Jan 23, 1990 (26) England 30.06.2018 £563k Easily double and probably four times that.

9

Kenny Miller

Centre Forward

Dec 23, 1979 (36) Scotland 30.06.2017 £263k Where do they get these values from?!

14

Nicky Clark

Centre Forward

Jun 3, 1991 (24) Scotland 30.06.2016 £188k Maybe. I think a free is more likely.

It's a reasonable case, well written and presented for grown ups who like football to have a blether about, the essence of Gersnet.

Just about all you can say with any certainty, nearly 20 pages in, is that social media is not the appropriate forum for elections.

The lack of censorship allows any and all statements to be made - and once they're made, it's too late to unmake them - the anonymity most of us use allows bolder accusations to be lobbed in; on Twitter, the limited space makes explanations impossible but accusations easy; and on places like this, the strange relationships which build up, where people kind of think they know people but maybe don't really, can lead to suspicion or collusion and all points in between.

Old school meetings, chaired and kept in order, may result in a lower participation from members but if the alternative is a head long charge toward a fight in the playground every time a vote comes up, I'd sooner have that.

I'm just a normal fan like yourselves

I resent the suggestion that I'm a normal fan. As prime hand-wringer, long-winded post writer, Spiers apologist and Nationalist flag waver on Rangers boards for over a decade, nothing could be further from the truth. It's this kind of inaccuracy blah blah blah splitter blah blah blah secret meetings in the board room blah blazers etc

Please take no notice, sometimes we have to let off a little steam.

Hats off to you for stepping forward and best of luck.

I like the headline, though. Quite subtle for a Scottish paper.

No Andy, it's a question that could do with some kind real answer rather than evasion.

 

We have an RF election,... proposed mergers,... suddenly what appears to be a 'contingency fans group vehicle' incorporated... and 48 hours ago BH inferring that there may be more truth in what Frankie said about alternative groups springing up than he could imagine.

Ach man, I don't know anything about it. I just find it all very unpleasant.

I don't want to jump anywhere.

 

I would like you to tell Gersnet exactly what you referred to when you said "There may be more truth in your last point than you imagine". That last point of Frankie's being "we can be damn sure an alternative group will again spring up quicker than you can say Monty Python."

 

Are you really really sure it had nothing to do with 'The Rangers Independent Fans Consortium Ltd' ?...Because in the absence of a tangible explanation regards what you inferred to Frankie, it smells.

This McCarthyism is a disgrace to this forum. I don't know you buster so nothing personal but this is awful.

I would imagine at least 20% of the Gers support is construction(hands on)

Are they gonna be represented on the fans board?Over to you Andy.

Dont tell me------their bosses will represent them--------cos they are edukatted!!

I couldn't care less.

edit: because the threads to do with this issue have been poisonous.

Why? I'm only guessing like us all but it seems like a sop appointment to the 'stop criminalising fans' brigade over the road: more understanding, less punishing, less laws.

Given we've had fans who have been affected by these laws, and since most don't care for them (I do, make no bones about it) why are we so opposed?

Dont twist it Andy.run of the mill Teds are for the most part ,joiners ,brickies,drivers,engineers etc(like every other club in the country)

These guys are not representative of the Gers support on the whole.(the candidates)

Maybe im more enlightened than you,i realise you dont have to wear a kilt to vote snp.

With the size of our fanbase, even our match day fans, I doubt you could get someone (or even a group) who represented all of us. All you can ask for is people with the best interests of the club at heart, and I don't see how running a company makes you any less of a fan than being a joiner.

I don't follow the last point you made, sorry.

Directorships,Owners of companys with hundreds of employees.uni degrees,bsc,s ,corporate moguls,just general clever look at me types.

Ex players /captains,company secretarys etc,etc.

Just a general snapshot of your run of the mill teddy bear-----perfect for heading up the FANS voice in future---------------God help us.

That's massively unfair.

Any Bear knows that sticking your head above the parapet will bring hundreds if not thousands of keyboard warriors down on your head, no matter what you do - it's a poisoned chalice. Even 'look at me' types would find something more suited to their narcissism than a Rangers fan board.

As for the run of the mill Teddy Bear - all that takes is cheering on The Rangers and nothing else.

A quick internet check suggests he's wound up all the right people, at least. Well done, he.

Not sure how Rab will deal with a Labour MP who is a fervent Bluenose.

if I’d been looking at a visit from the champions, a full house, television coverage, gate receipts — would have been one of massive disappointment.

That's a bit optimistic.

Changing the subject slightly, having an ex-MP on the committee can only be a positive thing, in my opinion.

If he can be shown to have done anything when the club was being ball-busted by HMRC. MPs, MSPs of all colours fell over themselves to do nothing to help us.

Attention whore

To be fair, he only does it every so often. We're on here every day.

Nice how the report is laid out.

Anyone with a chip on their shoulder might think the inference was that any trouble which occurred was as a result of points one and two, the presence of Rangers fans in home areas, 'which resulted in an increase in the risk of Unacceptable Conduct occurring within the ground' (note the redundant capital letters - it's like one of those fan statements which go for a heavy, formal tone but just sound horribly contrived).

We have some pretty oddball fans but I doubt many of them raced onto the pitch to goad the actual Rangers end; while if their presence wound up the home fans that much, one imagines any Motherwell fan wanting to lord it at full time would merely have had to turn to their neighbour, rather than sprint up the length of the pitch.

I didn't take it that way at all. I suspect people will apply and then be vetted by an independent body, probably Supporters Direct.

Read that as 'Sports Direct'. Fair choked on my supper.

Actually it seems I only saw Somner at the end of his career (remembering players rarely made it much past 30 in those days) and that he was pretty handy right enough: from wiki

games (goals)

1971–1974 Falkirk 45 (12)

1974–1975 Ayr United 5 (1)

1974–1979 Partick Thistle 144 (101)

1979–1983 St Mirren 99 (45)

1983–1984 Hamilton Academical 36 (9)

1984–1986 Montrose 66 (15)

I can't remember where I heard it but John Robertson was supposed to be heading Govan-wards either just before or just after Souness took over. Robertson and McCoist would have been worth seeing together.

Maurice Malpas was about the best left back I've seen, an elegant player way ahead of his time. We've not had anyone special at left back for years, he would have been excellent.

Going back to the dimmest memories I have of football, St MIrren in the late 70's had a tall, slim striker called Doug Somner, I thought he was the bees-knees. But I was about 7, and if he'd been as good as I thought he'd have done more in his career I suppose.

Breaking: Rangers oldco administrators have five charges dropped in fraud case.

How does MW's plan change things??? We all know he likes to have a lean squad, with players fighting for their places. I would also like to think that he has assessed ALL the players that he has available & decided that there is sufficient quality there to cover any injuries or suspensions.

 

Or should we go back to the days where we have a very large squad, on heft wages, with 1/2 of them hardly ever kicking a ball.

Hmmm. Maybe it would be nearer the mark to say Warburton's plan takes us back to a time before I was going to the football, and when an injured first team player would be replaced by a hungry talented youth. My experience, from the early 80's on, has been for injuries or suspensions to be covered almost always by experienced, more or less first team standard players - I remember Smith dabbled a bit with the likes of John Morrow or, err...David Hagen, and...too early...was there a Lee someone? Robinson? Anyway that stopped pretty sharpish and he built big squads of experience to cover all eventualities, and that kept on through to the McCoist tenure. Now it looks like injury/suspension will be covered by under-21 promotion. Not a problem as far as I'm concerned.

So while it might not be so different for the club historically, it's certainly different for me.

Top quality stuff. Many thanks for taking the time to put that together, I learned a lot from that.

Do you do coaching? You should!

squads is light, its all right saying so and so can fill in here and there but can they really fit the way we play? Ball for example can cover right back at most clubs but can he play right back for us with the importance we put on the position in an attacking sense? Same saying Shiels can cover in att mid or hardie upfront, none of them bring the needed level of performance that a title push will demand.

 

We need to avoid injuries and suspensions at all costs. We have and over abundance of creators and goal keepers while little else cover wise, especially a lack of people who can take on the burden of scoring and leading the line.

 

Window is shut now just need to get behind them and hope we can avoid any issues

 

the six additions he is saying for next year is not near enough. That gives a squad of 20 for the premiership. Think hes having a laugh or several of the players out of contract are staying

In an ideal world, maybe. But we're rebuilding from a standing start, have several legal battles which affect cash flow/ability to plan financially, have to divert monies to infrastructure issues, and must balance achieving promotion with not over spending.

Even all that said, one of the reasons Rangers has been successful down the years is that when injury or suspension strikes, the player out can be replaced with another of similar ability. Warburton's plan changes this, and it'll be interesting to see whether the club, or the manager, changes over time.