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One consistent thing Murray has always said is that he'll only ever sell the club to someone who has the means to take it to the next level or words to that effect. Of course, given how negligent he's been in the running of the club in recent years, its hard to believe he has the brass neck to come out with that, but I'm assuming he still has some sort of feeling for the club so maybe we should trust him on that one?

Trust Murray? Feelings for the club? I'd rather trust a rabid dog to have feelings for the cat next door. He's a deceitful bastard who pissed on us and lied shamelessly for years. Trust? I don't fucking think so.

As with most articles on the situation - a lot about not a lot. I suspect that Traynor is one of the few hacks who are being used by bringing leaks and exclusives to exaggerate one or both positions as negotiators seek to gain some advantage. Ergo, treat this whole thing with a pinch of salt until Minty's shares are officially traded on the PLUS market.

Exactamundo!

Have you still got hair? I thought you would have pulled it all out by now. Do the RST also have to Ratify the deal?

Shit you're right too. If the deal is concluded we'll be back to the age old posing by the RST. Mind you they've a dinner coming up so that's probably taking their full resources to arrange.

Before reading that Scotsman article..... I just have to say.... Prof Tom Devine just somehow LOOKS like a Tim !!

It's in the genes. Thousands of years up to your arse in an Irish bog, grunting like pig, and along comes St Patrick offering a neep for a spot of bum banditry ... was the progeny of that ever likely to lead to a race of gentlemen and scholars? Only a thought of course but there's no historical proof I'm wrong. I mean, look at Gerry Adams and tell me that's not the result of catholic sex.

I'll be pulling on the best suit, polishing the shoes, slicking down the hair and opening the bubbly to toast the bastard Murray being surgically removed from the memory of this football club ......... well I would if Craig Whyte would get the deal done.

New to the whole twitter thing MF. I wasn't the only one to get caught out momentarily.

I just assume everyone knows more about these things than I do ... which is almost always the case. I tweet along merrily but if I'm honest I haven't a clue how it all works or sometimes who the hell I'm tweeting at.:smile:

Guy looks to have been a fake/wind-up mate.

You plonker Rodney. It was Willhelm from VB doing his best to wind up Odious Creep. You were collateral damage.:devil:

And Tom Devine is a neutral observer? A dispassionate judge with no pre-disposition to one conclusion or another? Is his academic eminence a guarantee of objectivity, no agenda? Or am I so jaundiced that I see bheasts in every shadow?

Of course the real killer could be that Craig Whyte simply doesn't have the means .... Remind me, why IS Andrew Ellis involved in this.

It comes to mind that if Lloyds are not blocking the deal then Craig Whyte could be looking for an out. Or not.

Unless it is David Murray that is holding things up and holding out for more money.

Someone somewhere is telling porky pies.

It's hardly a major risk but my money's on Murray.

Yes but Frankie is the real deal.

I'm guess that if the deal does fail because of Lloyds intransigence, Whyte will be keen to expose this after the (non) event. On the other hand, what businessman is willing to alienate himself from the banking community? The mess we're in is almost too awful to think about.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can we have a link back at the bottom of the page of posts to take us smoothly back to the forum index.

Someone's having a laugh.

Never underestimate the value of light relief in difficult times.

These arseholes, more than the many other arseholes involved in this soap opera, should think hard what Scottish football would be without Rangers and it's fans. They may not like us but they'd be fuck all without us ... maybe they need reminding now and again. If our fans were only a little more aware and committed, a few away game boycotts would stop all f this damned quick. Unfortunately, as a whole, we're as gutless and self-serving as Murray taught us to be. Mugs.

Completely forgot the SSN story that we were getting taken over last Friday.

 

No wonder.

I heard Jim Traynor saying he felt something was going to happen next week. Then he must have thought better of it and added "but that's only 50/50". The deal would have been done long ago but someone is obviously digging their heels in, content to see is fail. Despite the more obvious suspicion falling on the bank in this respect, I still believe Murray is the one blocking this. I've been involved in numerous corporate deals and it never fails to surprise me how often it comes down to purely personal and emotional issues that decide whether a sales goes ahead or not.

Labour doesn't give a damn about the catholic community and neither does the SNP. However, both parties are fully prepared to chase this single largest group of voters who will act in concert, guided by their church leadership. Labour and the SNP know full well the party that loses the catholic vote will lose the election. That's why they will fall over themselves to lick the catholic arse, no matter what it costs. This is a situation consciously created and maintained by the catholic leadership in many countries.

Amazingly, even though Rangers were not involved, Neil Lennon got sent to the stand in the friendly tonight against Atletico Bilbao. Reports say thereof threatened to abandon the game unless the Lurgan Bigot left the technical area. Such a nice person really when those nasty prod dies leave him alone.

So-called 'Faith Schools' have been endorsed by the British Gov' and they're set to rise in number if anything in the UK.

 

How interesting it is that a politician with a background in the politics of war and attacking certain faiths became the chairman of CFC.

I don't think the endorsement of faith schools includes the systematic exclusion practiced by Scotland's catholic community.

There's going to be one hell of a story to tell if and when this sharesale goes through. You have to think Lloyds Bank will be writing a non-disclosure clause into any deal.

Tbh i'm almost at the stage of saying far play to them.

 

They are lower than low but until we have somebody at the club that will do something about this then it will only just get worst, the attack on the club i mean.

The "them" here isn't Celtic, it's the catholic church. You need to check your perspective on this. Celtic isn't driving anything here, they only read the script they're given. This isn't anything Rangers can fix. It can only be addressed by raising the ante on the catholic church and it's ambitions to strengthen it's role in Scottish society. The club can speak up against these catholic schemes but will only confirm the myth of sectarianism already being promoted by the cult's mouthpieces - "see, we told you they were anti-catholic".

We need to be much smarter. Their key weakness is their apartheid schooling system and that should be our target at every turn. Just watch them back off if they feel the schools they use to indoctrinate and assure the continuity of their flock are under threat. Deal with the catholic. Church and Celtic won't matter a damn.

Never believe any of this is about Celtic or Ireland. It's about nothing but the survival and empowerment of the Roman Catholic church. Celtic exists because of the Roman Catholic church, not the other way around. Similarly, Ireland is a power-base for the benefit of the Roman Catholic church, not a country that uses the Roman Catholic church for it's own national benefit. The problem we face is one instigated by the ambitions of the Roman Catholic church - republicanism, Celtic, and the IRA are all just convenient vehicles for expression of the Roman Catholic church's strategy .... and they play a very long game.

THE reason for the delay in Rangers publishing their half-yearly figures is ,there are those on the Ibrox board who quite simply do not trust Lloyds.

However, I believe that recent top level talks with the new men at the top of Lloyds will see Rangers release the figures this week.

It surprises me that not much has been made of what has been going on at Lloyds' top table in the last month.

For the fact is that since the last update on the power struggle on the Ibrox board, and my revelations about why the half yearly accounts had not been published, there have been massive changes at Lloyds.

It now remains to be seen whether those changes will undermine the position of Donald Muir and Mike McGill, the two Ibrox directors who are seen as Lloyds men.

Somehow, and for no reason I can fathom, the huge upheaval at Lloyds has not made its way onto the sports pages of the nation's newspapers.

Though what's being going on at Lloyds has appeared on the business and financicial pages of such reputable media outlets as the Daily Telegraph and the Scotsman.

Let's kick off right at the top of the tree. The man who was in charge of Lloyds as chief executive, Eric Daniels, is no more.

And a good thing too, many may believe.

Closer to home for Rangers, the executive director of Lloyds, who had special responsibilities for the bank's business in Scotland, Archibald Gerard Kane, is also no more.

An even better thing those on the Ibrox board with the good of Rangers in their hearts, Martin Bain, Alastair Johnston John McClelland, Paul Murray and Dave King, may well believe.

The new Lloyds chief executive is the Portuguese born Antonio Horto-Osorio, who took over three weeks ago, and who is believed to be a hands-on supremo.

Certainly it did not take him long to express what many interpreted as his dis-satisfaction with the performance of Lanarkshire born man-of-mystery Kane.

One of the new chief executive's acts was to show Kane the door and replace him with Philip Grant.

My research into Grant seems to show he was previously with the Royal Bank of Scotland, but the probe is ongoing.

More of Lloyds new man Grant at a later date.

For the moment, it is better to examine just what has been going on between Rangers and Lloyds during this period of turmoil at the bank.

You may recall that last month I revealed the four page document which contains Rangers half yearly figures, plus a statement from chief executive, Bain, was pulped after Muir and McGill were reported to have objected to what Bain had written.

There followed a round of briefings by Donald Muir to a small cherrypicked group of reporters, which surprisingly exiled the Daily Record.

WHY?

Rangers were believed to be furious that the outcome of these clandestine meetings was a series of stories which claimed Lloyds had saved Rangers.

There was even some talk that what Muir had done may have breached the strict confidentiality laws governing the relationship between a bank and its customer.

While this was all going on, Bain met with the bank again to try and thrash out a new business plan.

When he reported back to the Rangers board, McClelland, Murray and Johnston were unhappy with what the bank proposed.

That led to a further delay This happened against the backdrop of Horto-Osorio was getting his feet under the Lloyds boardroom table.

Now, with the arrival of the new executive director at Loyds with special responsibilites for their business in Scotland, Philip Grant, Rangers have a new man to negotiate with.

The latest delay to the publication of the half yearly accounts is a direct result of those talks, with Rangers hoping they get more sense out of the new man than they did from Archibald Gerard Kane.

Or from the man who was responsibe for business banking at Lloyds when they took over Rangers banking arrangements, the now departed founder board member of the Celtic Trust, Manus Joseph, J Fullerton.

Rangers can point to the fact Lloys inherited a debt of �£31M, largely due to the club's absence from Europe in the year before, which had fallen to �£23M by the time the annual audited accounts were published in the summer of 2010.

It is believed that debt to Lloyds will now be around �£20M....or even less.

Which will show the new men at Lloyds the ability Rangers have to reduce their debt, provided they are allowed to conduct their business in a way geared to bring that business success.

As the business of Rangers Football Club is football, success financially is relative to the success on the park of the team.

Therefore, playing in Europe - even in the Europe League - increases the club's income.

In turn making Rangers more able to continue to reduce its debt to Lloyds.

That is neither brain surgery nor rocket science.

The amazing thing is that Eric Daniels, Archibald Gerard Kane or Manus Joseph J Fullerton seemed to realise that.

Or if they did, the gave every appearance of wanting to ignore the fact. For whatever reason.

Now, perhaps trust will finally be established between Lloyds Bank and Rangers Football Club.

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What a pity so-called 'representatives' like Andy Kerr aren't smart enough or committed enough or informed enough to respond properly to these contrived news releases. Why does Kerr always start by effectively agreeing with the accusation and then offer the pathetic excuse that 'they're doing it too'. It's fucking cringeworthy and it happens every time.