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Front page of today's Herald. Do you think there's an election looming and someone wants to sell catholic votes to the highest bidder? Rancid bastards.

Church to send Old Firm film to police

Published on 26 Mar 2011

MARTIN WILLIAMS

AN Old Firm row has erupted after it emerged the Catholic Church in Scotland is to study all footage of last week�s League Cup final to provide evidence to police of anti-Catholic songs sung by Rangers fans.

The move follows complaints that Sunday�s showpiece final at Hampden Park in Glasgow was marred by sectarian chanting, despite renewed pleas from senior politicians, police and Celtic and Rangers for an end to bigotry.

The Church is collecting information after being told action should be taken to ban the fans responsible.

Although Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill described the match, which Rangers won 2-1, as the ââ?¬Å?final everyone wanted to seeââ?¬Â and a ââ?¬Å?great advert for Scottish footballââ?¬Â allegations were made of Rangers fans singing banned sectarian songs.

Mr MacAskill said last night any evidence of crime should be submitted to Strathclyde Police. However, the force insisted widespread arrests were not the solution.

Catholic Church spokesman Peter Kearney said there was particular concern about Mr MacAskill�s comments and Strathclyde Chief Constable Steve House�s own glowing praise of fans� behaviour, while Rangers fans were singing songs described as offensive.

Mr Kearney added: ââ?¬Å?We have had quite a lot of messages and emails from people who on the one hand are concerned at the singing and the tone and the lyrics, but more so on the Justice Ministerââ?¬â?¢s comments.

ââ?¬Å?We are receiving and accepting the reports, many of which are detailed, and we will look through them and we will be willing to act accordingly. The right port of call for complaints of this nature would be the police and I imagine a lot of the people who are compiling or providing information to us will probably be giving it to the police anyway.

ââ?¬Å?The point is, if people are displaying open, anti-Catholic hostility, that is a matter we are rightly able to comment on. Was it appropriate for Mr MacAskill to give a glow-ing and universal compliment of everyoneââ?¬â?¢s behaviour?ââ?¬Â

Police and Government chiefs had been on high alert for the final after an ill-tempered Scottish Cup tie that Celtic won 1-0 on March 2.

There were 34 fans arrested in the ground, three sendings-off and a touchline clash between Celtic manager Neil Lennon and Rangers assistant manager Ally McCoist. First Minister Alex Salmond later convened a summit that resulted in a series of measures being suggested, including the possibility of arresting players on the pitch if their behaviour boils over.

A spokesman for Mr MacAskill said: ââ?¬Å?This sort of unacceptable conduct is exactly why we established the Joint Action Group at the summit, and tackling sectarian chanting is one of the specific issues being addressed.

ââ?¬Å?Sectarian chanting is totally unacceptable and indeed illegal. We support the strongest possible action to deal with it. Any evidence should be submitted to the police.ââ?¬Â

Andy Kerr, president of the Rangers Supporters Assembly, said it was wrong for the Church to single them out for criticism and was surprised by the Church�s stance.

He said: ââ?¬Å?I am surprised this is coming from the Church. I would have thought they would be wanting to work with the groups to see if there are ways of dealing with this if there is a perception of ongoing problems.

ââ?¬Å?I am clear there are still examples of songs being sung that we would rather not hear, and that applies across both clubs. If there was a way to switch it off, it would be great.

ââ?¬Å?I donââ?¬â?¢t think for one minute we are the only fans who fall below the standards expected.ââ?¬Â

Joe Oââ?¬â?¢Rourke, general secretary of the Celtic Supporters Association, has also written to Mr MacAskill complaining that at the cup final he was ââ?¬Å?subjected to 120 minutes of racist, sectarian singing from the fans of Glasgow Rangers.ââ?¬Â

A Strathclyde Police spokesman said: ââ?¬Å?We do and will continue to robustly police any sectarian activity reported to us. We acknowledge there is still much to be done, however this is not a problem that will be fixed by arresting our way through it.

ââ?¬Å?We are working with the Government and other partners on the joint action group to find real and long-lasting solution to the problem of sectarianism.ââ?¬Â

A Rangers spokesman said: ââ?¬Å?We oppose all forms of sectarian behaviour by supporters of all clubs wherever it is displayed.ââ?¬Â

Whatever happens be it takeover or no takeover, a new bank must be sought ASAP.

You don't just walk away from a bank where you owe this kind of money.

When exactly did these arrogant bastards decide the catholic church should be 'the church'?

It may seem extreme but we stand in some danger of being thrown out our nest by the cuckoo in our midst. I am appalled by the organised, and well organised it must be admitted campaign against us. They are detemined to set the parameters of the paradigm and any dissent is met with coordinated cries of "Injustice"

While it might not pander to the more cerebral bears, the most powerful tactic against these orchestrated campaigns may well be simply telling them to fuck off.

There are (only) two things that are at all likely to influence the outcome of this never ending farce. The first is direct pressure on David Murray by very public attacks on his character, acumen and failure at Rangers. The second is a similar public campaign against Lloyds Bank. Rangers fans appear to want to shelter behind any excuse to do neither, so I see no prospect whatsoever of the club being sold any time soon.

Roll up and pay your ST money. Your continued compliance is so much appreciated by those who benefit from the destruction of a football club. Mugs.

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Strathclyde Police officer guilty over pro-IRA chanting

Christopher Halaka is a Pc at Strathclyde PoliceRelated StoriesPc charged over pro-IRA chantingA police officer has been found guilty of breaching the peace after he was heard singing pro-IRA songs and challenged by an off-duty colleague.

But a sheriff ruled that Christopher Halaka had not committed a sectarian offence because he had not wanted to cause "ill-will" to a particular group.

Halaka, 31, was drunk on a night out in Perth with his uncle when they were heard singing the songs.

Both Halaka and his uncle Laurence Winters, 43, were fined �£250.

Halaka also faces an internal inquiry by Strathclyde Police where he works as a Pc.

Perth Sheriff Court heard that the pair left one woman in tears as they aggressively confronted people waiting in a taxi queue and had to be tackled by an off-duty detective from Strathclyde Police.

Det Con Ian Cameron told the three-day trial he stepped in to try and stop Halaka and Winters from singing pro-terrorist songs.

He said: "I can remember bits of the song - 'wearing a black beret' - and there was a phrase, either to 'join up' or 'up the' IRA.

"There was also a mention of Bobby Sands. I took it to be an IRA song because I believe Bobby Sands was a member of the IRA in the 1980s."

Halaka's solicitor David McKie claimed Det Con Ian Cameron had called in Tayside Police because he felt the pair had "taken the Mickey" when he told them to stop singing because people were offended.

He told the court that Det Con Cameron had admitted being a Rangers supporter who attended football matches at Ibrox, and had "his pride stung" when the men mocked him.

It was a breach of the peace in a public street and caused offence to members of the public who had been enjoying the night out�Sheriff Mark Stewart But the detective said he had phoned police when another group of men came forward to confront the duo as he was afraid "it was going to kick off".

And he said Winters, who was formerly in the Territorial Army, threatened to "find out where he lived".

Both accused had been charged with committing a breach of the peace aggravated by religious prejudice in central Perth on 28 December 2009.

Sheriff Mark Stewart deleted the reference to religious aggravation before finding them guilty of breaching the peace.

He said: "It is the verdict of the court that a breach of the peace has been proved against both of you. You conducted yourself in a disorderly manner and shouted and swore.

"It was a breach of the peace in a public street and caused offence to members of the public who had been enjoying the night out."

He accepted the offence was out of character.

Agree with most of that MF, but to the last sentence I'd add some other religions as well. Evangelism, Judaism and Scientology are all powerful and worrying forces and they're not the only ones.

I wouldn't argue with your qualification.

Socially backward - because we don't lick the catholic arse like so much else in our society. Here we stand Spiers and you certainly won't move us.

Really great stuff Frankie.

 

Something I'd like to point out here even although it sounds like a conspiracy theory, is that the majority of politicians who've been heavily pushing the issue of sectarianism in Holyrood over the past decade or so are Catholics. Depsite how it sounds, this is NOT a theory. You can run a search on the Scottish government's website for words like 'sectarianism', 'sectarian' etc and it will come up with a list of all documents and minutes from parliament which contain those words including details of speakers raising and pushing the subject as well as details of every agreed initiative and who the backers were. I spent every night for about a week looking through all of this and tracing the details and persuasion of dozens and dozens of MSPs. My conclusion was that the majority of MSPs raising (and I mean constantly raising) and backing proposals and initiatives on the subject are definitely Catholic politicians. Unfortunately I can't give you figures or lists of names because I lost all of my research when this computer had to be reinstalled after going tits up, but anyone can do what I did and search the government's website for these documents, then search the documents for instances of this subject being raised and discussed in parliament.

It sounds such a cliche and could be construed as confirming the stereotype bigot they all rant against ..... but the problem in this country is the catholic church. I don't hate Catholics but I do deeply resent the actions and intent of the cult to which they belong. It is riven with activists who attack anything that isn't part of their cult and they strive continually to undermine anything they see as a challenge to their march. No wonder the catholic cult has been persecuted in earlier times; it's fundamentally corrupt and a dangerously destabilizing influence on the rest of society. The word insidious keeps coming to mind. Catholicism and Islam, two of the greatest dangers facing the civilized world.

That's the best bit of writing I've seen on Gersnet in the three years I've been here..... even if I did read it first over on VB. Really good piece of work Frankie.

Always thought you lot were a bunch of pooves. For all his many faults I'll wager Totti never stroked an etching.

I can't believe a topic on Totti ended up discussing fikkin etchings.

Perhaps someone involved in the Ginger Bigot's failed Dublin property deals had more reason to send threats than anyone in this country?

What they meant to say was 'a trophy sponsored by cash seized from republican oirish scum'. I'm sure we'll manage to win it no matter who stole the money.

Why don't these people just fuck off and catch a criminal, instead of posing for the cameras like a bunch of adolescent prima dona wannabe's. Why is it every malcontent victim in this wee country is O'This or O'That? The irish disease, that's what we have here and it's desperately needing someone to come up with a cure.

Got to give a special award to Sir Walter for finally taking his head out of his keester and setting the team out to win instead of to not lose. I doubt there was a single bear whose heart didn't go out to him when he held that cup above his head. Well done Walter.:spl:

Yup, that's pretty much it.:grin:

Dangerous to ignore, potentially very damaging and almost impossible to fight against. This is malicious and entirely intended to smear Rangers. What do you do?

Why bring up Catholics .... unless you've just eaten one of course.

Well said stfu, there's a clue there for some "very high ranking police officer" except we all know that's a political rather than a policing role nowadays.

The sun shines on the righteous!!

And verily we are indeed most righteous!

Anyone else notice how the air was a little sweeter this morning? And the sun shining a little warmer on the Protestant people? I swear the world is a little better place in general .... or is it just me? :smile:

I always think that headlines such as "33 arrests around the ground" are useless without some sort of comparison of what the average at a large football derby is. After all, 33 sounds amazingly few when fifty to sixty thousand people get together with some kind of tribal rivalry.

 

I'd like to know how many there are in a Manchester derby...

There you go, introducing facts when all they intended was a little routine propaganda.:smile:

Someone at the BBC is bitter?

Don't talk shite.

Everyone at Broadcasting By Catholics is bitter.

It's in the job specification.

I don't think anyone could argue against Steve Davis, he had an inspired game. But the much-maligned Kyle Lafferty maybe deserves a wee mention in dispatches for his efforts, as does Stephen Naismith who has returned from injury with a great attitude. Ah shit, mention them all .... except Edu whose lacklustre attitude really pissed me off.