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Sorry just notice this post , just posted the same on another thread , BarryBaldy has very rarely been wrong if ever

This was posted by Barry Baldy on FF earlier , for those not aware of him, his posts are legendary and spookily 100% accurate , also he doesn't post shite either , so here's hoping something comes of it .

Hi guys

The Florida consortium story that has been unveiled in the press today is 100 per cent spot on.

The Herald broke the story about the state of Rangers finances a month ago, then floated the fans buyout in the Sunday paper and it's culminated in this.

My understanding is that Daryl King - who wrote the story - has been to Florida to meet the guys involved.

They have NOT gone to the bank or Murray yet, the story clearly states that, which is why he Murray is technically right when he says no new approach.

That's just his normal way of trying to rubbish people - he is dead on his feet and is trying to flush parties out, which has happened today.

But this has been worked on for a long time, it's real, it involves the fans and it's been orchestrated all along to come out now.

Plenty of people with big money are involved. Murray knows his days are finished, and the new dawn will not be far away if the punters buy into this plan.

If I get anymore I will try to update.

The point oh dear oh dear indeed, is that someone missed something, that someone was certainly not me, unless of course the Scotland job and the Rangers job are one and the same thing, oh dear oh dear indeed.

keep reading the record my dear spanner it really is best source of all Rangers news :box::box:

You certainly did, attention to detail at all times, something we dug men ken only to well.

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/spl/rangers/2009/11/04/dan-petrescu-i-d-love-to-manage-rangers-or-celtic-86908-21796711/

Well it appeared in the record therefore it must be true , dear oh dear oh dear

Personally I didn't have a problem with Magic not coming back , as I didn't expect him to , the fact is our squad is so threadbare we struggle without him is our management's fault not his . We are meant to be a big club

He went to PSG, did very little except flirt with relegation then get the club to a bit below where they should be (a bit like Rangers finishing 3rd, or at best a distant second), got the sack and is now the manager of Camaroon. Doesn't sound like his career has taken off to me. And he has shown nothing to suggest we should never have sacked him.

 

Good managers don't get stabbed in the back, they rule the dressing room.

Agree to a certain point , however the rule the dressing room is where Murray let him down , however LeGuen and I was delighted when he got appointed , made serious mistakes before a ball was even kicked.

A great point was made on sky sports after one of the c/l games , where they said that Scotland had never had such good facilities or as many coaches , but were the coaches good enough !!!!

Knowing our luck we would end up with a boby williamson " he's a good blue nose " type , but maybe that's doing AJ a disservice , mind you he wants to keep Walter so maybe not

Something that's quite interesting rbr, is that the likes of Portsmouth, Hull, Bolton & other smaller clubs in the EPL are only charging about �£20 for tickets, which is less than some of the mid-table SPL clubs are charging. Couple that with the fact that all-seat stadiums are halving the potential attendance at these clubs.

That point was discussed later on , on Talksport , they were mentioning that the EPL's own figures gave an attendance of 97% for stadiums for he season ( that was 97% full ) , the point they raised was that the likes of Blackburn , Wigan ,Fulham ,Bolton and Hull all struggled to fill their grounds so how the figure for attendances came to 97 % is anyones guess

First team squad from the official site - http://www.rangers.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Firstteamprofilesindex/0,,5,00.html (go down to the list at the bottom right)

 

1 Allan McGregor

2 Maurice Edu

3 David Weir

4 Pedro Mendes

5 Sasa Papac

6 Lee McCulloch

7 Steven Davis

8 Kevin Thomson

9 Kris Boyd

10 Nacho Novo

11 Jerome Rothen (on loan from PSG)

14 Steven Naismith

16 Steven Whittaker

17 Andrius Velicka (on loan to Brist C)

18 Kenny Miller

20 DaMarcus Beasley

21 Kirk Broadfoot

22 Andy Webster (on loan to Dund U)

24 Madjid Bougherra

25 Neil Alexander

26 Steven Smith

27 Kyle Lafferty

29 John Fleck

43 Steven Lennon

45 Rory Loy

46 Steven Kinniburgh (on loan to Oxford)

47 Jordan McMillan

48 Andrew Little

51 Stephen Stirling

52 Andrew Shinnie

63 Ross Perry (on loan to Oxford)

64 Kyle Hutton

66 Danny Wilson

67 Jamie Ness

69 Gregg Wylde

 

Not counting the 4 players in bold who are out on loan, I count 31. I think there's actually only 5 under 19's in that squad, so if you wanted to discount them for arguments sake there would still be 26. If it included all the under 19's the number would be about 46 & if you went down to under 17's, you could add about another 20 players.

That clears it up Zappa , on the official first team squad photo everyone from Stevie Lennon down isn't counted and to be honest I wouldn't count any of them as part of a first team squad maybe I'm being a wee bit pedantic but I dont see our first team as having 31 players

The figures will probably be very different now rbr, but last year the 5 clubs with the highest debt in the EPL looked like this -

 

• Chelsea - Ã?£711m
  
• Manchester Utd - Ã?£649m
  
• Arsenal - Ã?£318m
  
• Liverpool - Ã?£300m
  
• Newcastle Utd - Ã?£245m
  

 

Those figures were net debt at end of the 2007/08 season and were very accurate last year.

sorry Zappa , I should have said it was clubs outwith the big 5 , they include Spurs , they were actually pointing more towards the bottom end of the premiership , Portsmouth , West Ham , Hull , Blackburn and Bolton are all rumoured to be in serious trouble

I take it that squad of 31 includes all the under 19's as well , because by my reckoning we have 21 which includes Fleck and Edu but not Wilson , not much of a squad

For a man well into your sixties spanner you speak very well , in fact your down with the kids

Excellent stuff boss , I think Xmas may just have come a wee bit early due to this thread

I think you're both right and wrong. Right that we will enter a new era - wrong that it will be anything like we've seen before and certainly nothing like the revolution of the Souness years. We'll never see that sort of turn around again. Our new era will be very subdued and it might take quite a while (years) to see any difference. To think this will be our last embarrassment in Europe is beyond optimistic thinking, it's cloud cuckoo land.

Bang on Maineflyer this vision a lot of fans have that if and /or when we get new owners we will be entering Narnia is a load of rubbish , we would be better getting the fundamentals right , good coaching , proper scouting and last of all but possibly the most important a regular supply of properly coached young players , well that's my dream anyway

It might not even be anywhere near 10 years MF. The total revenue for the EPL is around �£2bn p/a, but it's total outgoing in player wages alone is well over �£1.5bn, while it's clubs have amassed debts of around �£4bn. It's a bubble that can't keep growing indefinitely. It'll either need to let out serious amounts of air or it'll burst.

Zappa on Talksport a few weeks ago they were discussing the fact that 7 clubs were technically insolvent and that Liverpool were given a special 1 year license to play due to their debt , last nights result wont help one bit

Yeah, I'm not an expert on the latest regulations and seedings from UEFA/FIFA but suffice to say if we're falling down the rankings that far then our problems will be getting bigger instead of smaller. Moreover, if we're reliant on UEFA not changing their rules while we sit in <16th place then that is a very dangerous situation to be in.

 

As I said in the article, the threat title is an exaggeration but it's the kind of succinct analysis that may not be all that inaccurate unless we get the finger out across the board in Scotland. Looking to the rules and seedings to save us isn't the best way to find improvement.

 

I totally agree but for far too long Scotland as a whole has relied on the old firm , and during the last 12 years Rangers have accounted for over 52% of the coeficcient points alone . However the point is valid from a purely selfish point bof view we would much better fall to 16th and get an easy draw than finish second in the league but get the draw from hell and it is something that UEFA should be lookinfg at.

Yeah, I think you're right rbr... I was hoping the pressure would be off somewhat after we won the league but all the uncertainty about the bank and the club's future means once again winning the SPL was always going to be our priority this season.

this entire decade has been an unadultarated mind F**K , never in my wildest dreams as I stood in Hampden during the orange cup final could I ever have forecast in my worst nightmare what was about to unfold . the sooner change happens the better

Let's face facts as disappointing as this years campaign was , and by god it was painful , the facts are we were only there for the money and deep down I feel Smith will be hugely relieved that we are well out of it , not that I think he didn't try his best , just that he isn't really a European type manager in that I have never felt he truly enjoyed it .

Even when we were on the road to Manchester I always had the feeling it was a distraction for him and that he would have been not too disappointed if we had gotten knocked out at any point , on the bright side at least we will have saved a fortune on the players bonuses this year

The Irony of our continual fall from grace in european terms is not all doom and gloom if you win the league , the way Platini's changes work is that if we as a country fall to 16th place we do indeed only recieve one place in the c/l , however we would then be seeded against much easier countries and away from the super powers , that's one reason Zurich , Macabi Haifa and Debrecen all made it this year , where we do not want to be is for Scotland to finish 14th or 15th then you still have qualification matches against the big boys and as last night shows we are not ready for that

Indeed - was all a bit bizarre last night from Smith and his management team.

 

The problem is that I've literally no idea what manager could come in under the current high pressure circumstances at Rangers and do a better job with no money, unwilling players, an apathetic support and an absent owner. I'd argue that while our results and performances have hardly been glowing, Smith has done pretty well to achieve the relative success he has done.

 

Of course, that in itself is no reason not to replace him considering he seems unable to get the best out of a band bunch of players while arguably wasting millions of pounds we did have on players that simply don't seem good enough.

That is probably the crux of our problem , last night though thoroughly dejected and disappointed as I left yet again after an embarrassing defeat what struck me was the lack of anger which had been replaced by acceptance , acceptance that we are where we are and that in the bigger picture things will get better .

Our team formation last night mirror's our off field formation including our finances in that no one really has a clue where or what they are meant to be doing .

We have a manager who like the club owner probably doesn't really want to be there but unlike the owner actually feels our pain yet can do nothing about it , yes last night was appaling just like the way the club is getting run but I for one can only hope that a brighter future lies ahead as I never want the feeling of accepting what I witnessed last night again.

It really just brought home how bare our squad really is , where the hell is EDU , continually playing players out of position cost us two years ago and will do again

You cannot compete on anything like a level playing field when you look at those figures , what is even worse is the money is not evenly split in each league with the top clubs getting astronomical amounts compared to us .

This only highlights the absolute necessity of good coaching , even better scouting and a great youth set up , now how many of these do we tick !!!!!!

There is going to have to come a point where we start to believe in Boyd , this will we wont we play him in big games does neither the club nor Boyd and favours , as it just gives our enemies ammunition to throw about whenever the subject of him playing comes up .

By the non existent billionaire, unless that billionaire is Tom Hunter, who is not Miami based, and is the only living Scottish billionaire, shouldn't be to hard to figure who is taking you for a ride.

Good spanner keep avoiding the question , at least you are predictable :box: