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That was what was annoying me , so far there has not been any mention of their financials ????
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Did I miss something here , why or when did they announce there figures for this year , sorry if this is an obvious question
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This global brand issue was put to bed last week . Man Utd posted in their results that in season 07/08 they made over �£104 million from Match day income , which included tickets sales , TV revenue , catering and merchandise , the very surprising item was sale from overseas merchandise which was �£3.4 million , now that is hardly a fortune in anyones book .
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Again I am not disagreeing with your whole aim in this thread , and I was as much as you was very disappointed at the treatment dished out to the previous board of the RST , but and this is my main point they have always tried more than any other supporters group to stand up for the fans , either after manchester or through the " We Deserve Better " at least they made the effort and tried for a better Rangers . I do fully agree with you about the apathy that is Rangers fans , at times I really cannot believe what we settle for, that is why we must change , especially now when there is at least a chink of light that change is in the air ....
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Shroomz , I agree we do not have the TV revenue to underpin this , however if we did have the TV deal then we wouldn't be in this mess , also the reason that other teams acros europe do not follow this model is that they do not have the fans that we do worldwide , something radical must be done to address this continual boom and bust that we go through , if you look south at the EPL the total debt is sitting at �£3.2 Billion and this is at a time when they have never had it so good. Liverpool have a 1 year licence from the EPL to play football as they are technically insolvent due to the debt , that was discussed last week on talksport and is no secret in England , and as many as 7 others teams are on the verge of finacial ruin . We do not want to go down that route and if we dont get a SugarDady who is worth Billions I fear we will just be going down this route again in a few years .
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At this moment Rangers fans not just in Scotland but all over the world are worrying and discussing our future , Dave King if the press and respected posters are to be believed is the favoured saviour , a guy who stays in S A and has major contacts there , our Chairman is a Director of IMG a global management company , we have supporters groups all over the world , and as for Barcelona and it's population then I agree however it is not universal in Spain , just ask any Madrista. We do not have the finances that other major clubs have , we cannot keep Knocking our potential and our appeal , we are a global brand we are GLASGOW RANGERS and we deserve better .
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The Barcelona setup should be the template for any modern football club , with a membership and voting rights , all senior Directors should be made available for voting in/out and all should have a vision of where our club and how our club would get there . Of course their should be a membershp fee for the right to vote and take part in any club election . This would also deal with the apathy issue , I have e-mailed this idea to Bain on several occasions never having recieved a reply
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Maineflyer we have agreed and disagreed over a few things lately and again I possibly agree with your arguement about the support changing , but why label the RST as " silly " they more than anyone have driven the change , going back to the origins and Frankie may or may not agree with this , the trust have swam amongst a tide of apathy , trying to get a better Rangers and a better future for all of us who support this fantastic institution , please do not belittle their attempts or their aims . They have never tried to better theirselves individually , they have never tried to gain favour of the support , in fact their criticism of the club have made many figures of hate , the gerssave has never takenoff , partly as a backfire against the trust , ohh the irony . The bottom line and many Rangers fans cannot stomach this , is we are apathetic, we will not fight for our club and await a white knght to ride to save us , and then we will start shouting from the stands as per usual . This is an opportunity to unify a support , unfortunately the support is waiting for someone to sort it out for them ......
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No, I think it's been exactly the situation for many years. Murray always preferred people who needed to be told what line to take. Every independent view was systematically expunged from Ibrox until no one was questioning anything. It's a bit too optimistic for me to believe Walter Smith is anything but Murray's man. Maineflyer you may be right in your assertion of what happened previously , however considering Murray's achillies heel of personnal critiscism it is not totally unexpected for him to expect total loyalty from his staff and Smith does believe that he owes Murray a great deal for giving him his chance and backing him with the hard cash during NIAR. That should not preclude Wattie from being an excellent chairman , he has a very good rapour with the media the vast majority stay very much on his good side , also he is not a stupid man and is steeped in the club and what it stands for , he has never been in a position to defend us with any real power so that should not be held against him and pointed very much at Murray and to a lesser extent Bain , a man who really suffers from the Murray effect . -
TE=maineflyer;174627]But if Walter was chairman, who would tell him what to think? Now Now sir , that's a wee bit of a cheap shot dont you think
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Or Dave King , I would love to see Walter as Chairman , I believe he would not allow the press the scope thay have had previously , interesting times , one thing is certain there are a damn site more money men about than there were a few weeks ago
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Quite possibly but I know who I believe and it certainly aint the bank ,very well respected posters who have in the past been spot on with thier info are all saying the same thing , and whatever you may believe about Smith he isn't a liar . Now whether this is a premeditated plan to put pressure on the bank to play along is another story , just remember back to when Septic were saved the tricks and manipulation used by the Rebels and their media puppets to ensure the deal was done , the very same could be playing out in front of us here . Why would any possible investor pay �£1 per �£1 of debt when he may be able to get it for 40 , or 50 or 60p in the pound , likewise the banks are hardly going to give the debt away knowing that there is a buyer out there who has obviously done a deal with Murray , that much is very obvious , this is a who blinks first situation , and that's why I believe Smith brought this out into the open.
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boss is there any way the messages can be removed as it is infested with ****s just now , and some are pretty stupid , bordering on offensive
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Though I do agree with this , at the same time there is no reason for them to play hard ball or put spokes in any deals when they are not treating our club/business as they are treating others . I just hope it is concluded quickly and without too much mud slinging
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signed also
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Have closed all my lloyds accounts and given the reason why , probably wont make any difference but if there is a fans backlash you never know. It is very apparent that there is a stand off between the bank and potential new owners
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Dont know if this has anything to do with it , but they were working on the site , they were replacing or upgrading the RAM , they had announced there would be downtime tonight -
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The end game is upon us , hopefully this will all be done and dusted very quickly then we can get back to being a football club again -
If as is being suggested Dave King is actually in negotiations with Lloyds then what we are seeing is political posturing and pressure being applied on Lloyds , and if again as is being suggested they are not for reducing their price re-the debt then this is a who blinks first game . the one thing that is apparent is that Murray is basically out the picture totally , either because he has agreed a price with King or else he has waived his shareholding as is being suggested in the evening times
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I think that , that will be after agreement with Murray is reached on the sale price of his shares , the Debt is a seperate issue and from what I can gather it is the wrangling between King and LLoyds that is holding up any sale
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And how bad may it really get if we dont win the league this year before our coeficcient drops and we have one team in the qualifiers
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Nothing because we have an apathetic support who believe that the club will never be allowed to fold , or even better there is a big secret millionaire about to save us , both bollocks we are in a shit state and no one is coming to the rescue
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Bluedell the majority are clinging on to hope like a limpet , the majority cannot comprehend how bad this situation actually is , believing that Rangers will never be allowed to fold never mind fall , the reality is no one Know's, only after Murray is purged and the money trail is investigated will the truth actually come out for the money is the story , this is the worst I have ever felt as a fan in over 30 years not even rotten teams compare to this , we truly are at a crossroads
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Andy in some strange way you actually hit a very raw nerve , many many fans in fact the majority myself included always believed that Rangers Fc would never be allowed to get in this position never mind possibly go into administration . However is this actually in this resetion hit times a reality , does the money trail that is MIH actually mean we are in danger and if so does anyone outwith the Rangers support actually give a four X , we always heard that the Rangers support would never let it happen well reality is here and we have let it happen will the apathy that prevaides throughout us actually mean we will do nothing . Today in Liverpool there was meant to be a march of approx 10,000 fans against the owners , not the manager or the players but the owners who have allowed Benitez to squander millions on duds , yet a few hundred fans try and protest against Murray and they are shouted down and abused by Murray's henchmen/supporters , why do we not deserve better. When the RST came away with the "WE Deserve Better " campaign they were shouted down by many , even on here including Frankie who I do not accuse of having anything but Rangers best interests at heart , however how much of what the RST wanted has been addressed , nada , zero , zilch yet we are at a position that I have never believed would happen in my lifetime , our club is being hawked around like a cheap whore to the biggest bidder , a very very sad day and hopefully tomorrow it will be all a nightmare caused by the wine I am drinking
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Walter Smith , as much as I criticise him for some football matters , is no one's fool and always conducts himself with the dignity and style associated with Rangers Manager , so for him to come out and basicaly call Bain and or Johnstone of lying is amazing , the end game is a foot for Murray's reign , but what the future holds god only knows