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If you remember last season the septic were awarded a very dubious penalty against I think Kilmarnock , or possibly St Mirren which was outside but finished inside , and every member of the celtic appreciation society backed the refs decision . What goes around comes around .

remember it wasn't that long ago when we were the only team getting c/l football that we had a much better team and squad , yet continually getting horsed by Auxerre , grasshoppers , strasbourg etc etc etc back then NIAR was the only game in town , how times have changed

sorry mate but the 4th round is the last play off round , all teams from the c/l that are beaten go straight into the europa league

To be fair to him , he scored some really important goals both at the start and end of last season , also if the manager doesn't pick him then he cannot really be blamed

Well , any thoughts Frankie

sorry I actually didn't take that into account also I suppose having lafferty and papac suspended wouldn't have helped either , but when you add it all up that is it really a first team squad of 19 , todays 10 ( flecks still too young to be considered a full first team member IMHO ) plus Alexander , Thomson , Beasley ,Papac , Lafferty , Novo ,Edu ,Broadfoot and Mendes

Very few if any of the players that have left made any contribution at all to last season , Velicka waded in with a few important goals , Ferguson held down a position for a while without doing anything spectacular , Dailly was well Dailly , and that was about it , the rest Darcheville , Burke , Gow , Hemdani , Adam ,Graham Smith , Webster and Furman never featured, also for years we have all wanted youngsters to get a chance , however I have never seen the pendulum swing so far in the opposite direction so quickly ever , I mean today we had 4 under 21 players on the bench

Since January , if Darcheville and Burke are included we will have saved over �£6.9 million on wages per year and thats at a conservative estimate , add in the �£1.5 million in fees ( once the players slice is removed as none asked for transfers ) and that we will earn over �£17 million ( if Celtic get gubbed hopefully ) top line from the c/l alone , how bad can it really be , even when we were seriously in debt a few years ago we never saw such draconian cuts as we are witnessing now , all this on top of the club workers who seem to be facing constant threats to their jobs , sad sad times , the sooner the truth comes the better

Before I start just let me say this is totally without any foundation , it's just my own thoughts no sources or rumours behind it . The way we have approached this year from Jan 1st till the present has been almost scatter gun like , any decent or at least any offer for any player seems to have been accepted whether to take players on loan or for transfer , the initial figure of removing �£4million from the wage bill has more than been reached along with getting around �£1.6 million ( once the players cut is removed as no one asked for a transfer ) for players in fees . This has left me wondering why the desperation for this type of actions , we all agree last season though brilliant to win the league , was a disaster from the point of view of player recruitment , with the vast majority being brought in too late for europe and leaving us with far to big a squad , any sane fan would realise that there would need to be some sort of balancing act , and few would agree with the majority of players leaving in fact some would like a few more join the ranks of the departed . However and this is where this season so far has been very strange , with so much riding yet again on the league it is very unlike Walter to go with such a thread bare squad , without bringing in any players , indeed Murray's lapdogs are now infact telling all that infact we need more players out the door before we can even get a bosman or a loan signing on board . I can only hope that this is being done as part of a takeover deal , such as Portsmouth's where they are preparing the finances before the sheikh takes over , if not then what exactly are the figures on our finances going to read, possibly like a horror movie if barrybaldy is correct . Never can the hopes of so many be laid at the feet of so few , god bless them I really hope they succeed ...

as usual the papers are way behind , this is old old news

they were the best of two very poor teams and having their midfield certainly wouldn't inspire me , especially having the strikers they have , the only thing that will save them is getting the greeks

Right guy's todays the day and we are about to set off , good news we are all fit and well and looking forward to it and so far have raised over �£10 000 of our �£20000 target . bad news the weather is pish up North ad looks to stay that way , our kit hasn't arrived from poland ( they got the dates mixed up seemingly ),and we have an 8 hour drive to get started . Never mind it has to be done , if any one would like to support us in this charitable event , please click the link and give what ever you can ,I realise things are really tight just now so anything is appreciated , also there is a wee article about us in tomorrows evening times . http://www.justgiving.com/end-end09/ will give you an update tomorrow after our first stage , John o'groats to Inverness approx 120 miles RIGHT TODAY HAS NOW BEEN CANCELLED DUE TO VARIOUS COCKUP'S , NONE OF WHICH WERE OUR FAULT , so tomorrow will now be today ok sorry wrong forum

just phoned the spl offices at hampden and it is �£13 million per year with an opt out after 3 years , who they opt out to is another question

this story is changing every bloody hour , does anyone actually know what the deal is , one minute it's over three years the next over five with a two year opt out , opting out exactly where !!!! so is it �£13million or just under �£22 million per year

If you thought we had problems before then wait to see what will come if this is true , the bbc are changing their report almost by the minute , sky are reporting it as a 3 year deal at �£65 million which is basically what we were getting , but if it is over the 5 years that's another player or �£1.6 million that will have to be found from somewhere

Well the bright chairmen of our fellow clubs have once again put self interest and shorttermism against the best interessts of the scottish game , this is truly an awful decision and one that will I am certain have serious repercussions on playing squads all across the country, what a truly depressing day never in my worst nightmares did I seriously believe they would vote for this. sorry just about to do a complete 180degree , if what has been reported on the spl's official site is correct then it's actually a good deal , �£65 over 3 years is a hell of a lot better than �£65 over 5 , so not too shabby after all

he played and scored in our champions league games and never looked out of place , ironically playing out of position , why not give him a chance , far too many on these forums do not give young scots any breaks , Aaron will be welcomed back with open arms even though he has shown absolutely nothing yet Adam get's no slack

Hutton successfully managed to silence the booing majority , the vast majority of fans would have gladly given him away for nothing the previous season

would help if he was given a run in his chosen position , he was excellent in europe two season's back and has the knack of scoring goals , however wattie would much prefer to play players such as McCulloch , before younger players. Until wattie leaves we will be subjected to more of the same next year , was speaking to the organiser at one of the biggest south side supporters clubs on Monday and he said they have lost mega members as fans who have been going for years are just not willing to put u'p with the same old rubbish again next season and were going to pick their games very carefully , seems a very simillar story amongst other clubs . Murray will have to wake up to the fact that he is killing this club by 1000cuts and I hope that at the STS meeting whenever that takes place , this point is forceably made , fans who have been season ticketholders , shareholders for years can no longer accept the downsizing . I was a season ticket holder for 25 years but Kaunus finally did it for me . and I haven't renewed ,and nothing that I am hearing from inside Ibrox is making me regret that decision

Frankie for this to work all the fans groups must pull together on this and not be splintered off as always happens . The We Deserve Better campaign was an excellent campaign but because certain journalist were fed the usual morsels from Murray's plate was bye and largely dismissed as the workings of a small minority group of dissidents from the RST , instead of actually drawing out a debate on the points it raised . So whilst setting the standard is another brilliant initiative we need to bring a focused look at what is best for the club we all love and if that means using some of the We deserve better campaign then so be it

I really hope this is taken forward , however my initial reaction is tempered by the fact that the RSA is where it is going to be discussed , as of yet I have still to hear one single positive thing to come froward from them , and what exactly does this forum(rsa) have the power to do

Doesn't really matter to me whether it's a pr stunt or not , if there's any credibility or not, like after Manchester in a matter of weeks the feel good factor starts to deteriorate , and the less is more begins , prepare for mediocrity and if they deliver any players it will feel like a bonus

easy tiger , all I can say is god bless asos shorts !!!!

That's another 180 miles done this week , yesterday and today was 62,and 68 miles , next week it's oban (95miles) on Saturday and back on sunday , the sooner this trip starts the better :(

But the whole problem is we are not set up for success , our whole bonus system was made up on the hoof and with the assumption that we were always going to get knocked out in the next round. we has a situation where we made more money than any other season yet made a loss partly due to excessive bonuses , that is completely unacceptable in any business