rbr

Why does nobody do the bike thing from Lands End to John O Groats?

 

John O Groats to Lands End is cheating, it's downhill ALL the way.

 

Best of British, good cause, small donation made.

many thanks mate , if only I had a quid for every time :giruy::much appreciated . as promised I will give the approximate route and schedule ,

Day 1 john o'groats to inverness 123.3 miles

Day 2 Inverness to Tyndrum 114 miles

Day 3 Tyndrum to Kilmarnock 90.2 miles

Day 4 Kilmarnock to gretna 92.6 miles

Day 5 Gretna to Kirkby lonsdale 96.6 miles

Day 6 Kirkby to whitechurch 110.2 miles

Day 7 Whitechurch to Cheltenham 109.4 miles

Day 8 Cheltenham to Tiverton 131.6 miles

Day 9 Tiverton to Pars Sand 82.9 miles

Day 10 Pars Sand to Lands End 66.1 miles

However we are aiming for 7 or at most 8 days and as we are at the moment averaging 15.6 miles per hour on our training runs , which average from 30 up to 95 miles . this should be ok .

To be honest I just want to get started as the training runs though ok soon get on your tits especially the amount of time you have to give up , I'm very lucky that my family are totally supportive , but role on july , cheers bears

I will do a wee bit more of a detailed plan later on today , cheers for the support guys

Many many thanks guys , we will be doing this from the 18th of july hopefully it will take no more than 7 or 8 days . we have been training pretty well and are over the 2000 miles mark already .

All the guys on our team , have suffered in some way either directly or through the loss of friends , due to this disease so hopefully we will reach our target .

I was asked by GS on follow follow if I would do a wee blog as the trip progressed , so if anyone was interested i would do the same on here . Just let me know, anyway many thanks again guys

Until we shift players , Gow , Adam , Ferguson , MacGregor etc I cannot see us bringing in anyone

20 grand, that's an absolute beast of a target. Would that be Robert Codona of the North-east Codona's amusement dynasty?

It very well could be , Raymond certainly has family in that trade , though he has been out it for years and now has bars such as madness in the city center and the mega bar out near coatbridge / hamilton way

Hi guys , i realise that you are asked to dig deep all the time , well this time I am asking for your support .

In July myself and 3 friends are Cycling from John O'Groats to Land's End , in aid of Cancer Research , just short of 960 miles in hopefully 8 days.

If you can spare a few quid it will be gratefully recieved at the following site .

http://www.justgiving.com/end-end09

many thanks bears

great thing about this site wilkie is you dont need anti depressants after reading the threads !!!!!

n_c, i think to do justice to the subject you'd have to take an extremely polemical approach. the current media situation is historically unique - old media's having to defend its legitimacy and existence in a way it hasn't for a long a time - and a proper treatment of how to address it would have to be less charitable, i think, than the document is as a whole. to manage the press effectively you have to acknowledge concepts like rhetoric, will and propoganda that might have given the positive stance of the document a sour taste, despite its legitimacy.

 

dealing with the media is something you want strategy devised behind closed doors, as celtic seem adept at doing, but we dont.

ehhhhhhhh!! , that's either the best cleverest post in history or a load of bollocks :flipa:

absolutely brilliant article , shows what should be getting done by those in charge , well done to all concerned

Walter smith is Murray's last throw of the dice and I totally agree with Frankie that we are no further ahead than when Murray took over 20 years ago , I really believe that we are just stumbling from one disaster to another , no leadership , no vision , a support so apathetic that it is unbelievable , and a team that continually is set out with players in positions that are so obviously alien and uncomfortable to them , duncan ferguson at left wing , big basil at right back , hmmmm who was the tactical genius behind those decisions !!!!!!!!!!!

I refer you to the forum rules........

 

1. Abuse/Insults: I will not stand for any Gersnet member being abused or insulted.

2. Unsubstantiated allegations about any subject: all subjects can be debated but unless you have proof, let's keep everything on the level.

3. Respect: The best thing about about this forum is that all opinions are found in all forums which creates interesting discussions on a wide variety of topics. That means you will disagree with others on a daily basis. Please accept opposing opinions will exist so take them in the good faith they are offered.

.... and I suggest that throwing these oneliners around isn't exactly promoting showing profound analysis or respect for others, whose debate you've contributed almost nothing to. I think I make a reasonable effort on most occasions to make my case on any matter I participate in. However, when it is simply going to involve repeating what has already been said, I see little point in gilding the lily.

 

But since you want to hurl abuse, I might take a moment to say that you could take a look at the motivation behind your own posts. In the short time I've posted on here I don't exactly remember you setting the heather on fire.

In all my years on various rangers forums I dont think I have ever came across anyone with as big a hardon for themselves as you , were you bullied as a kid or do you just refuse to accept other peoples points of views , also the negativity you post with no allternative's offered is staggering ,you sound like a very lonely wee man

Right to start with I think he speaks from the heart but also speaks very well , doesn't get involved in the smaller details but can see the much bigger picture and isn't afraid to say it like it is ,now as a life time member of the trust you might expect me to say all of these things but I have been highly critical and I hope frankie would back me up on this , on the way some of his associates have conducted themselves recently.

Murray must go of that there can be no arguement , his near 20 year tenure has actually put us way behig celtic and as much as that is unpalatible it is true' we need a strong voice in opposition to put pressure on murray as his weakness is personal humiliation , and I aint talking about whips and oranges

How do the regular and respected posters on this site view david edgar , what is your position on the rst , frankie your exempt from this , just interested

if ally left who would go round murray park high fiving big lee

the only way to murray is public ridicule / humilliation , like all power freaks it's his achilles heel and until that happens he will stay securly down in his bunker.

To everyone who slaughters people for not goin back or hanging up their scarves , maybe they are too young to remember that is how change happened the last time

All exchange rate sites suggest no more than around �£7.8million...

stand corrected , this day just keeps getting worse for me

sorry to be piky but its �£8.4 million

Sorry bluedell and thanks for clearing that up , the point I was trying to clear up was that we were using our own money and not being bankroled by murray as so many believe , but what is clear from your research is that even back 14 years ago Murray had started to strip away assets and started to bring outside investment instead of using any of his own or his companies money

David Holmes the much respected chairman who was the brains behind the Rangers revolution has in the past credited hugh Adams as the man who paid for the stadium , if holmes gives him the credit I aint goin to argue with him, also i am not arguing that I may have been wrong with my quote on the �£28 million , also with regards to what we spent remember we went from 15,000 season ticket holders and crowds averaging 22000 t over 33000 season ticket holders and average croeds above 42000 in the first season , murray didnt appear for nearly three years , but dont let that spoil the Murray is mr rangers story.

One final thing in the very early 90's we were in profit and didn't have any debt until 1999 so though I may have been wrong with regards my times I am certainly right with regards to us having money in the bank , which davie certainly spent

rbr

"we were cash rich with approx �£28 million in the bank "

 

 

rbr, from memory Murray paid 6 million and took on circa 9 million of debt when he bought Rangers from Marlborough

I wil take your word on that as I cannot recall the exact figures or dates , not trying to justify my point but i do know that there was very little debt as the rangers pools was still making huge contributions to the club at that time, in fact they all but paid for the new stadium , and but for changes in legislation which all but destroyed the pools , it wold still be generating huge amounts for the club

Are you sure about that? How could someone buy a company for �£6m that had �£28m in the bank?

I honestly cannot answer that 100% , however I am 100% sure lawrence marlborough only sold his majority holding in Rangers , he did not sell the club ,there is a big difference

If you like it is like the Glazers borrowing money to buy man utd which they then transfer back onto man utd's books but in reverse

Also Murray has increased his share holding over the years he did not start out with anything like the 91% he has now

Dont disagree with any of that. But some are suggesting he has never done ANYTHING right.

Right Craig lets have a wee look at bhis 20 years . When he took over in 88 the stadium was already there , the bulk of the team and manager were in place and we had over 30,000 season ticket holders and also were cash rich with approx �£28 million in the bank , against that celtic were being run by the whites and the other family I cant remember and they were willing to spend nothing , english teams were out of europe and sky was a distant dream.

If ever we were in a position of power this was it , a scouting network should have been set up , and wasn't .

The next few years went by domestically everything was rosey , in europe a disaster , walter was in charge , basil was left back , big dunc was on the left wing etc etc

Then septic got their act together by a wee guy with a bunnet and a squint , he rebuilt their staduium bought players gave them belief and eventually because we never strengthened and brought in fresh younger players we were gubbed ( sounds strangely familliar )

This really angered davie boy so what did he do ,he got a cracking manager and went mental , now I dont get on his back for backing advocatt but I do know he was personally responsible at that time for the contracts and what was happening was shocking , agents were not even asking for amounts they were waiting to see what they would be offered ,this came straight from an ex player and now an agent , Murray was like a footballing santa

When the inevitable happened we went through a period of downsizing with McLeish , a guy who was just happy to be in the job , then plg who should have been backed to the hilt , instead murray panicked and brought bavck his last throw of the dice wattie , now we are back to where it all started , old players played out of position and humped out of europe , in my opinion we are now worse off than we were 20 years ago .

some facts , Murray has never put his hand in his pocket . ENIC , joe king and others have and been burnt but not davie

Smith in all his years has never managed to sign a striker that made it . he inherited Hately and McCoist

If you want another 10 years of mediocrity then fine I dont we should have been out of sight but are now far behind celtic and it breaks my heart

On what basis do you make it over-valued ?? Your perception of the value or something else ?

 

What made it a ridiculous revaluation ? If the cost of the stadium had been at historic cost from years gone by then the revaluation would look ridiculous but land prices, property prices and inflation would all add to the value of Ibrox being significantly higher than historical cost.

 

Reason I ask is because when the revaluation was made it would have to have been agreed to by the auditors and the revaluation would have been made by an independent firm of valuers.

 

The club would have felt it right to revalue at that point in time but they wouldn't have been responsible for the actual valuation, although they would have had a say in whether they agreed with the valuation or not, and if they didn't they could decide not to revalue.

The reason I posted this is that it was brought up at an agm a few years ago , and many posters much more in the know than my self who are also shareholders have ridiculed the valuation , remember this is not put on for selling purposes it was put on to make the books look better nothing more , yet more smoke and mirrors i'm afraid

Accountants, ah well, I couldnâ��t claim to be one of them. But I do employ a few, they keep the books straight. While I may have rushed into some words which might have been more wisely chosen, I nevertheless still think I was basically correct. If I remember correctly (and it's been a while) the original proposition was that Murray has put money into the club. I said he hadn't but that he had simply moved the debt from one place to another within his business organisation, which is indeed what happened. Effectively, he is keeping Rangers afloat with intercompany loans. The spirit of the proposal was that Murray has sacrificed �£50m of his own wealth to bale out Rangers. This is clearly not the case. Now I don't deny that the debt on the Rangers books was reduced and that the cost of servicing that debt was also reduced. However, as you know very well, Rangers is still not immune from the effects of that debt and it continues to be one of the reasons why Murray finds it so difficult to sell the club.

So, we reduced the debt. But at the end of it we still didnââ?¬â?¢t have money to spend. The reason I mentioned that we were in a sustained loss-making situation was to emphasise the fact that we were in no position to acquire or generate funds without further borrowing. If you like, we had simply become less unable to spend money on the fundamental purpose of the club, winning trophies ââ?¬â?? but unable nevertheless. Amazingly, Murrayââ?¬â?¢s money that so many speak about was nowhere to be seen, not penny could be found to buy even a used corner flag.

 

Thanks for the lesson in accounts. Most edifying. But what I asked was how much more Rangers had to spend the day after Murray is supposed to have made is donation.

sorry but the money raised was on a one for one share basis , �£1 for one share valued at �£1 , so therefore that is the reason Murrays holding increased to over 91% , the amount on the company accounts showed a year later a reduction in debt payements of over �£4milion pounds , therefore we did have more money avaiable if needed and also the abiity to raise money is totally independant to the share price unlike celtic who must make a statement to the stock exchange prior to changes or any major announcements

The tangible assets have increased substantially over the years. You might not agree with the revaluations but as listed in the accounts their value have never been higher.

 

I don't know what your agenda is but you seem to be spouting one mistruth after another and then calling anyone who disagrees agrees with you, "spineless".

 

I think you'll find that most people on here are aware of SDM's shortcomings, however we don't feel any need to make it up stuff to get angry about.

 

I feel it's always far more beneficial to keep a good grip of the facts.

dont know if this helps but Murray had Ibrox revalued at a ridiculous amount , a bit like getting your house which was worth �£100,000 , valued at �£150,000 , I'm not saying that the valuation of ibrox was the same as the example percentage wise but it certainly was overvalued