UCF2008

I'm only 26 but my memories of him being hunted down the left wing by 5 players at a time are probably the closest I'll ever get to seeing a Maradona/Messi type player for us.

Like I say, I'm not denying that he played some games on the left wing for us and I too have some great memories of him there playing as I do him playing on the right. The only difference is that I wasn't 9 or 10 years old when he played his last competitive game for us. Selective memories especailly apply to childhood.

I'm not meaning to have a go at you mate but Laudrup was a left winger much like Goram was a keeper. It simply just was his position and in my team I put him wide left in a 4-3-3!

Similar to the likes of Cooper, you'll see tribute footage showing him making as many runs through the middle as on either wing. We've all got selective memories. I best recall him as a right winger. Most statistic sites are non-committal having his position down as attack. At least we can both agree Goram was a keeper and Laudrup was a winger.

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I didn't say he never played on the left. We all know how Walter likes to play his wingers.

Try and prove you're right and I'm wrong. We've both got him playing as striker anyway :laugh2:

Laudrup was a left winger.

No. he was a right winger, but played as a forward for his country and us on many an occassion.

________________Goram_______________

Greig______Gough____Butcher_____Numan

Cooper____Durrant____Gascoigne____Baxter

_________Laudrup_____McCoist_________

However filmed it kept their nerve though!

I think it's between Temps and the cameraman for who flinched least.

Who is the fat guy in the black shell suit) that runs for the hills right past the camera (and is probably still running)? Is that Ally?

It's Durrant

One of the few benefits of the Green consortium beating Kennedy and TBK's. Souness never understood Scottish football and never understood Rangers. An arrogant tw@t of a man who turned his back on the club. Why he's still held in such high regard by so many of support beggars belief.

Yet i've checked the date and he never went to Helsingborg until August the 10th.

Which was less than a month ater we were voted into Div3. Didn't take him too long to find a new club who were gearing up for CL qualifiers then did it?

We'd have to have sustained it, with TUPE everyone transfers over, you can't pick and choose.

As it was we had directors making short term loans and Malcolm Murray paying the electricity bill. If we'd have kept a hold of all those players it would have required close to 150k/wk ...which I would say is a little bit more than a whip round from Chuck & pals could handle.

As far as I can remember we didn't release him, we just let him transfer on a free, as clearly we weren't getting much in the way of money offers for him.

 

Likes of McGregor and Naismith were much more valuable assets and while we wouldn't have got near full market value for them I think we'd have got something, and therefore there wouldn't be a need to let them leave on frees.

Bedoya was and still is a US international and with the length of contract he had remaining he had to be worth at least £500k. He had less than 6 months on his contract with �rebro when we agreed terms and yet we still had to pay a fee for him.

We released him from his contract so that he was free to move just like Foster recently had to negotiate to be released from his contract with Bristol City. We didn't wait to see if any offers came in for him. We couldn't get his relatively meager salary off the wage bill quick enough as soon as he signalled that he wanted away.

Yet somehow you think we could have afforded to sustain the huge salaries of our top earners in the hope that it would pay off?

I find it embarrassing and cringe-worthy that we are just copying the names of the English leagues. All it does is make talking about the leagues and comparisons a bit awkward and ambiguous and so you completely ditch the names and say things like "third tier" where Division 3 would have been self explanatory.

 

But with the English thing, we're just showing ourselves up as a small mind country with no imagination.

...and Englishmen running our game.

What exactly is it that is working for them? Lying about fees and having the complicit Scottish media play along with it? Weren't they caught out recently by Swansea after saying they had got "x" amount for Ki, when Swansea had actually said that their record signing was somebody else and that they paid less for him than Celtc said they got for Ki?

I don't know what they claimed they got for him tbh. All reports seem to suggest around £6m which as you say is well short of Swansea's recent £12m record signing. That's still a decent profit though.

I'm not suggesting we should conduct our business like they do, but at the same time we shouldn't go out of our way to avoid similar market tactics.

Surely it is easy to see through their media bullshit? Have they ever actually come clean and been upfront about "fees" they have received, or are they just constantly trying to appear to have got more than we got for Hutton? There is not a chance in hell that they got £12m for the ladyboy, or whatever it was they quoted, and I don't believe they got what they said for Wanyama.

Of course it's easy to see through it, but it seems to be working for them. What they're doing isn't actually too dissimilar to what we did with Arteta, Gio and Jelavic. How they go about it as usual lacks class but the principal idea is the same. Buy in foreign players who want to use them as a stepping stone. Get some use out of them and then fuel speculation about them being too good to keep a hold of.

What's in it for the purchasing clubs to keep quiet if the reported fees are grossly exaggerated?

I would be, i've said consistently I had no problem if players transferred their contracts and put in transfer requests straight away. Bedoya didn't do much for us but he was still a USA international and playing in Division 3 would have likely ended that.

There's a difference between handing in a transfer request and asking to be released from your contract. I'm not saying Bedoya asked, but that's what he got. Do you think McGregor, Davis, Naismith etc. would have been so lucky? How do you think Green would have tried to shift all the blame onto the players in that instance?

Or imagine if someone had wanted Naismith while he was still under contract.

They did. D&P rejected an offer from West Brom.

I agree with you that we should try and tie our best players to long deals, although I don't think it should always be with a mind to selling them on at a premium. We should be looking to hold on to our best players. We shouldn't however be paying though the nose for the privilege. That's where a longer deal can work in our favour. If we're paying a wage that suits both the club and the player then it's not a problem. What is a problem is letting any deals for players we want to keep run down and handing all the power to the player.

Wanyama for instance had a 4 year deal and with more than 2 years remaining. They made moves to extend his deal and when the player refused they played the negotiations out through the press. Come the transfer window they got silly money for him. It's not the first time they've stuck a daft price tag on a player, told the world and ended up getting it. I'm sure it won't be the last either. It's easy to criticise this approach to playing the market, but they're hardly the only big club to do it.

In terms of Scottish football, I think the quality of our squad is probably slightly better than our current player wage bill would suggest. I think we have the 2nd best squad in Scotland but it's still some distance away from being the best and I don't think it's even in the same ball park as the squad of the 2011-12 season.

Can we currently beat Celtic? In a one-off cup game of course we can, but we obviously wouldn't be favourites to do so. Signing a couple of new centre-halfs might make us stronger, but it isn't going to make up the difference.

He honoured his contract, to me that's a key difference.

If he had honoured his contract he'd still be with us. He hung around to see what the outcome would be. To me that's the only difference.

If we'd stayed in the SPL or been relegated to Div1 he'd probably still be here, but we weren't. He wanted to go and we let him. If we hadn't done so, I doubt very much that you'd be singling him out for praise right now.

I'm pretty sure Bedoya turned up for training and transferred his contract.

He turned up for training the same as his compatriots only to find out he'd be playing in the 4th tier of Scottish football and most of his teammates had already jumped ship. He then did likewise at the first opportunity. I'm not having a go at him. He was looking out for number one. There's just not much difference between him and the rest. That's all.

Bedoya and Ortiz didn't walk away.

Bedoya did. He just left it a bit longer to do so. McCoist wanted to keep him and tried to persuade him to stay, but he wanted to go to back to Sweden.

Maybe but i would be very surprised if he didn't have some kind of bonus....pretty much the norm for senior managers.

True, but it depends on the percentage. A 100% bonus is absolute nonsense in any line of work.

If it's now a more sensible bonus in the region of 20% then he'll actually be getting paid significantly less than Green. Even 40% would still amount to a saving.

Even scarier when you consider he will most likely have performance related bonuses if i remember correctly like CG had if we got promoted. So that will add few more £k's onto his pay packet no doubt.

Or maybe it's part of the restructuring and Mather won't be rewarding himself anywhere near the ridiculous 100% bonus Green reportedly had in his contract merely for achieving the inevitable.

He certainly didn't confess to Whyte being the owner of anything.

Yes he did...Twice. Firstly to Whyte himself on tape and then once more in THAT STV interview.

Which no-one has AFAIK ever seen and would not have come to pass despite CVA failing, as another company bought the club. As far as I am aware, Whyte never backed his claims about being an owner of Sevco 5088 up thus far?

Green confessed to Whyte being owner of Sevco 5088. If the CVA had been successful the club would have been owned by Sevco 5088 because Whytes shares would have been needed.

When it was rejected Green, Ahmad, Stockbridge and D&P had a contingency plan to cut Whyte loose by transferring to a different Newco from the one which had a 'binding' agreement.

According to the results of our forensic investigation, Whyte now doesn't have a leg to stand on regarding any claim to ownership. The club is satisfied as are the SFA that this is the case.

There's plenty of other stuff to speculate on but this is all common knowledge. I don't understand how some folks here apparently missed these facts.

Rangers were part of MIH who ran the EBT's. Genuinely disagree with what HMRC say. Total arrogance. We won they lost. What are they on about ?

AFAIK it's because the CVA included all BTC liability, so they wouldn't have been able to pursue it further. I can't remember tbh, but I'd like to think that was the case as I wouldn't expect Green & co to gamble £5m on the outcome of the BTC even if it was other peoples money. Not to mention the ties to Whyte had the CVA been accepted.

He might as well come back and show his face while his mob are pulling the strings at the club.

I'd like to think he'd pay back that healthy settlement he received when he 'stepped down' though.