Robert
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On this point we are in complete agreement. :cheers:
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It is? The point being made with a combination of an image of the Pope on a T-Shirt, uninvited entry to a football field and a Palestinian flag? A point so confused as to be meaningless other than to mark the pitch invader out as nothing more than an idiotic arsehole? This is similar to mourning the violent death of 1200+ people by wearing a simple black armband? I disagree.
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I never said nor did I mean to imply that. It was a response to 'Palestinians aren't innocent'. The dead Israeli civilians, whilst innocent are not Palestinians so why would I mention them in response to the above? Just like it can be argued that Israel had a big hand in the blame for the deaths of those Israelis. Completely irrelevant to the point of them being innocent. I don't miss the point I just don't agree with you. As far as I' concerned you have jumped to an unnecessary conclusion. Nowhere (unless I've missed it and you can provide a link) has Boogie said he doesn't care about anyone except Muslims. The fact that he feels an affinity with those of the same religion as him is entirely to be expected - see any religious conflict throughout history for evidence of this. It does not follow that he has no concern for anyone else. Irony indeed.
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And Hamas argue that the rockets were retaliation for Israel breaking the ceasefire in November and killing *their* people. And Israel would argue that the attacks in November were retaliation, blah, blah, he started it, naw he did, etc, etc, ad nauseum. The bottom line is well over a thousand people have been killed, regardless of who started it. In my opinion that gives a valid reason for anyone who cares to wear a black armband. I'd argue that the hundreds of dead children most certainly *were* innocent.
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Agreed. :cheers:
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I'm not sure I follow you. Over a thousand people have been killed in the last three weeks, including several hundred children. A tragedy by any measure. My understanding is that specific situation is what he wanted to mark. I don't see how that is in any way more political than, say for example, showing respect the almost three thousand killed in the WTC attacks of '9/11'.
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Wearing a black armband to show respect for the dead is a political gesture? I take it your view on this is consistent regardless of who has passed away and that you also disagree with poppies on shirts, minutes silences for victims of the WTC disaster, etc?
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Keeping it out implies it's not there already. I'd say it's more a case of removing it.
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Whilst I agree with and share your stance I'm not so sure you can say for certain that he only cares about his own religion. Unless you have spoken to him directly I think you may be doing him a disservice. I can only assume you're basing this sweeping statement upon his comments regarding the Gaza situation, where it is overwhelmingly ( ~ 99%) muslims who are being killed. In such context his comments are unsurprising for someone of the same religion. It doesn't necessarily follow that he wouldn't care about other people. He may well not care about other people but I think it's unfair to assume that from these comments alone.
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Respect for the dead does not equate to supporting terrorism. Anyone who thinks it does is mentally challenged and should be treated accordingly. I'd put them in the same dookit as 'black and red sox = sectarian' bampots. I couldn't actually tell whether he wore the armband or not today - I sit to far up in the club deck - but he had a decent game regardless. The way I see it if *any* player, from *any* club decides to wear a black armband to show respect for *any* people who have passed away they should be allowed to do so.
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Delicate subject this one and a grey area in my opinion. Hundreds of women and children have been slaughtered in the last three weeks. If the man wants to wear a black armband to acknowledge the dead I have no problem with that. I appreciate concerns over political statements but who decides when a black armband ceases to become a mark of respect and turns into a political statement? He mentions the fact that he is Muslim. Does that make it a religious statement? If so, how does that differ from someone wearing, e.g. a crucifix pendant?
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Protest against David Murray running Rangers F.C. via constructive debate
Robert replied to John Barr's topic in Rangers Chat
You clearly think I am. I don't. But if you're so sure someone else could do a better job I expect you to at least have someone in mind. Otherwise it's just angry bollox, devoid of reason. The one not competent enough to run the club is deemed by you to be more than competent enough to find someone more competent than himself to run the club in a competent manner? Pardon me if I fail to see your logic. Certainly not. -
Protest against David Murray running Rangers F.C. via constructive debate
Robert replied to John Barr's topic in Rangers Chat
I take it you have a viable replacement in mind? -
I'm with you on this one and I'd change the main refrain to "And you'll never win away-ay. You'll Ne-e-e-ver win away"
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I suppose that question answers itself; it either offends you or it doesn't. If you have to ask yourself if something offends you, it clearly doesn't. I personally don't find it offensive at all but I can understand why some people do. The real problem as I see it is not genuine offence but mock offence. Many people claim to be offended by something in order to portray the alleged offenders in a bad light. The mhanky mob got the mock-offence ball rolling big time but Rangers are no longer without their own share of this type of fan. Or at least that's how it looks to me. Unfortunately there does seem to be a determined and unrelenting campaign to portray the Rangers support in a bad light whilst ignoring every other side in the country. I find myself getting annoyed, not because what other fans are singing offends me, but because it goes completely uncommented on whilst we are routinely villified. The vast majority of football songs are designed to upset/annoy/offend the other side. That's their entire reason for being. That's why I've never been directly offended by *anything* another team's support have sung, no matter how sick - hey, I've sung sick stuff myself before. I even find sick stuff funny sometimes. Guess I'm just a Bad Person! However I do find myself becoming increasing angry at the one-sided nature of this bollox.
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There's a picture of their old badge here too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Aston_Villa_FC.png The badge has changed a few times over the years. Funnily enough, I only became a fan because at age five or six my old Maw took me to Robert's Store on Argyle Street and told me to pick a jersey - already had the light blue 'Gers crew neck with the sew-it-oan-yirsel badge. I liked the Villa colours but it was only an accident of positioning on the rail that I didn't end up a West Ham fan. Happy accident as it turned out - Villa won the European cup a few years later.
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No worries. I only stumbled across the connections myself after following them for a few years. The motto under their badge is 'Prepared,' a bit too similar to Aye Ready to be a coincidence if you ask me but then I would say that.
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More on this: http://www.historicalkits.co.uk/Aston_Villa/Aston_Villa.htm "The Scottish connection is evident in the clubs early choice of colours, which were initially described as "cardinal red and royal blue stripes" (ie hoops - vertical stripes did not appear until the 1880s). According to Tony Matthews, the dark red represented Hearts and the royal blue, Rangers. In the late 1870s the Scottish lion rampant figured prominently on the shirts." Villa are my favourite English team, in case you haven't already guessed.
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Aston Villa. Check the badge.
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"The entire Scottish League has apologised to Davie Dodds for years of personal abuse......"
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Sorry, I thought you meant bloodline was OK with you. I don't think he is eligible either but if it was up to me people who'd lived here most of their lives would be a better shout (i.e. 'more' Scottish, if you will) than those who've never been here but have Scottish grannies.
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Likewise. I think it's a nonsense too. In my opinion, if you weren't either born or brought up in Scotland, you are NOT Scottish. You just contradicted yourself. Matt Elliot is a perfect example of why the whole 'bloodline' argument is a bucket of fetid pish. Hee Haw Scottish aboot him but because he had a Scottish granny he played for us? Absolute pish in my opinion. As the 'agreement' stands, if wee Nacho had never even visited Scotland but turned oot to have a Granny who'd been born here then buggered aff to Spain, he'd be more eligible than he is now, having lived here for the vast majority of his adult life and had Scottish family. As far as I'm concerned, the above shows why the existing 'agreement' is a load of shite. I'll say it again, born or brought up in a country - fine, you should be eligible. Otherwise, get tae.... Nae grannies, nae maws, nae deep fried pizza suppers, etc. And 'bloodline' is a lot of bollox as well, else we could all be playing for Ethiopia.
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Good on him. I always thought he was a great player for Falkirk and was disappointed he never made it for the Teds.
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I watched the first game on telly - Zenit didnae need the Ref's help. I was at the second game - same story.
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When you play away from home Hold the ball up high And don't be afraid of the park. At the end of a storm is a clear, blue sky And the sweet silver song of the Gers. Walk on through the wind, Walk on through the rain, Tho' your dreams be tossed and blown. Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart And you'll never win away, You'll never, ever win away. Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart And you'll never win away, You'll never, ever win away.