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Rangers 4 - 0 Dundee Utd

FGS - Goldson 

Rangers 6 - 0 Raith Rovers

FGS - Goldson

Hibs 1 - 3 Rangers

FGS - Tavernier 

Rangers 3 - 1 The Other Mob

FGS - Tavernier 

Jesus wept.

This shambles is beyond parody now, there's more life in Monty Python's Norwegian Blue.

The inevitable end to a half baked scheme.

Rangers 5 - 0 Partick Thistle 

FGS - Tavernier 

Rangers 4 - 0 St Johnstone 

FGS - Tavernier 

Kilmarnock 1 - 3 Rangers 

FGS - Tavernier 

Dundee Utd 1 -3 Rangers

FGS Tavernier

Rangers 3 - 2 Them accross the City

FGS - Tavernier 

Rangers  3 - 1 Motherwell 

FGS - Tavernier 

Option A - Rewatch that entire game

Option B - Suck bowl of diarrhoea through a straw

Correct answer - Pass me that straw

6 hours ago, Gonzo79 said:

I've seen a few Bears being quite vitriolic about Goodwin.  Why? 

 

I'd be quite devastated if my team lost like they did last night.  

His post match reactions after both results should furnish you with the answer.

Loses against his first love and the club he started his career with and he shrugs his shoulders, loses against us and it's like his world just collapsed.

Sherp 1 - 3 Rangers

FGS - Tavernier 

55 minutes ago, CammyF said:

@forlanssister thanks for the detailed response.

 

Regarding RSC tickets and logistics, I used to be on the committee of our local RSC but "resigned" when I started working away in US / Canada. Now I'm back, I help out a little, so I feel your pain.

 

Most away games we share with two or three other local RSC which usually means we can get a bus (usually a mini bus) for away games.

 

I stopped going to away games and only go now when out RSC is struggling to shift their tickets (usually the likes of Livingston and St Johnstone).

I sometimes think the whole world is conspiring against those running RSC's as each season every little change just makes it harder and harder. Other RSC's we work with are faced with the same so we hardly get any swaps now as there's nothing to swap anymore.

55 minutes ago, CammyF said:

 

I know MyGers is a money making scheme and I didn't join it as I didn't agree with it. Really cutting my nose of to spite my face, but there you go! 

Had the Travel Club still existed I'd have probably opted out of MyGers too, I felt the Travel Club being discarded was an act of disgrace at the very least it should have been a separate sub-section within MyGers. 

55 minutes ago, CammyF said:

 

As I said in my reply to Stewarty I'm passed the stage of actively monitoring the political issues around the club, I just don't have the energy for it anymore.

Personally I think we're relatively stable politically save the DK/Club72 stuff which is purely related to filthy lucre despite any claims to the contrary.

55 minutes ago, CammyF said:

 

Bit when I see "easy fixes" and "own goals" it frustrates and disappoints me. The issues we've discussed are (mostly) easy to fix and would gain the board overwhelming support and shut the likes of me up 😉

I share your pain and frustration. 

3 hours ago, buster. said:

Thanks for the reply !

 

Communicating with the fanbase is quite a daunting responsibility for an ordinaty mortal and goes way beyond anything the directors will have come accross in their own business environment. Microscopic analysis is almost immediately applied by what must seem like half the country, all of the media and reaction soon follows.

 

What we (as a club) have tended to do over the years is communicate with the fanbase, telling the fanbase what we think they want to hear / what we think will go down well and/or anything to distract from poor performance or boardroom shenanigans (spivs).

 

Sir Duped mainly used the MSM to get his narrative to dominate and have most of the support in the palm of his hand. When things got difficult he would line up the legends to support him in same MSM. He eventually hired Mediahouse, mainly to protect himself.

 

Jack Irvine (Mediahouse) was used as what I called a Continuity Bridge between various spivs taking the reigns (Not CWhyte IIRC). ie. hired and paid for by the club to protect and shield the spivs. IIRC he would also brief Ashley's PR man, Bishop.

 

In 2013 I got a fleeting glimpse at relevant attitudes to professional PR that I didn't think important beyond that particular moment, but now I wonder. In the long lead up to the December AGM, one group opposing the spivs contacted me, mainly to help relay some information onto the FF messageboard. I'd get the info via PM on FF. Then a go between (an ex journalist at The Glasgow Herald & BBC) would speak to me about things and would ask me for my view on X or Y. He said the group lacked a PR consultant and were considering hiring one but in his last email to me, said that Paul Murray had said he'd do the PR stuff.

 

Firstly, I couldn't believe that this group would ask the opinion on X or Y from a punter on a messageboard. Relay info, yes but consult in an area that I had no training or experience in !!!

Secondly, that they decided not to go with professional PR and predictably had their arse handed to them by Irvine.

 

Moving on,.... to his credit, Paul Murray came out on RTV in April 2015 laying out a realistic projected timetable as to the next 3-5 years. Dave King repeated the strategy of Constructive/Structured losses funded by directors/investors.

 

Jim Traynor and David Graham came and went. Another two who hadn't much, if any, direct experience in PR.

Positive change was that they were hired to protect the actual club....BUT No surprise the rookies ended up as two poor appointments.

 

We have spent years heavily focusing on the positives and regards finance, have recently had to give the fanbase a crash course in the negatives, to partly justify their own (in)actions.

 

Alignment has been a popular buzz word for the board but it needs to incorporate the fanbase, using reality and not just positivity.

 

Despite the business experience of the Rangers board, I don't think they know what they are doing when it comes to communication. I think they are almost daunted by it and it now looks as though they are winging it , crossing their fingers that Beale is a success and keeping the support happy (and quiet).

 

 

 

 

I was always of the opinion that Murray was reasonably content to let the Club be criticised and castigated as long as it didn't spread to him and his empire.

I get the employment of Jack Irvine by all the shady characters that have befallen us and agree with you as absolutely he was there to protect them personally at the Club's expense and you can argure that to large degree he succeeded in that brief.

I digress with you regarding Whyte/Irvine assuming that is I'm reading it correctly.

I too was extremely puzzled by the PR Communication strategy of for the want of a better term "good guys" at the tme around the "sale" to Whyte right through till the final push to the gazebo on the pitch.

Iirc we were pretty much in tune at the time ploughing a very lonely furrow particularly in regards to Whyte et al.

Looking back though I think I get their reasoning in doing it the way they did and in the cold light of day it I don't think it was as big an error as it appeared to me at the time. Post gazebo is an entirely different matter and like everyone else I'm both irked and puzzled by the whole PR and Communication strategy or rather non-strategy.

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

Not communicating, treating us like customers, promising to fix issues and not following through (ticketing, customer service), mixed messages (over money available for transfers), telling us we have no money in the bank 24hrs after UEFA deposited (IIRC) £13M into our bank account.

Already stated ad nauseum the PR and Communication stuff, I'm shoulder to shoulder with you there.

I'm more than content that the Board ignore the spend,spend,spend short termism that inevitably backfires. We surely all should want the Club to run sustainably within its means?

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Releasing car-crash interviews when the heat was turned up regarding their continued silence. Originally releasing said interviews behind RTV pay-wall. Then disappearing back into their bunkers. 

Again I concur. The reactive rather than proactive nature of our PR irks immensely and is clearly a form of self harming.

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Releasing Champions League tickets at the top end of the price band, insinuating the MyGers is a money making scheme and loyalty is based on ££££ spent with club.

Whilst the price stung there's a valid argument that actually they priced it correctly according to market demand. I doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't think MyGers is a money raising scheme, it isn't perfect by any means but plenty are happy enough to join it. Such "loyalty" schemes are used all over Europe and beyond we're only playing catch up in that respect. 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Continually reducing the RSC away allocations making it impossible for supporters clubs to run buses to away games and forcing some clubs to fold. 

I probably have even stronger feelings on this point than you, being a bus convener this has continually f*&ked me over, we can barely run a car to away games now let alone a bus. Removing Bar72 patrons from RSC lists has further compounded the situation for us. 

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Refusing to speak to fan groups regarding safe standing.

Fwiw safe standing is inevitable at some point but the simple fact of the matter is that it's way down the list of current priorities.

One point I've noticed about some of those shouting for safe standing is a complete lack of understanding just what it is and what it entails. I hope those who do engage with the Club on the issue have a better understanding than the average keyboard warrior currently screaming for it.

Personally I think when it is done it should be done correctly and those demanding the rail seating now because they have it accross the city would be selling the fans short in the longer term. Until recently I would have settled for wheelchair facilities that would have been far inferior those which the Club unveiled last week.

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Spilling costs of NEH and the sale or non-sale of Albion Carpark.

I think the circumstances stances surrounding EH were pretty much outside the Boards control. Personally I'm absolutely delighted the sale of the Albion fell through if anything I'd like to see another storey on top of it. We should be looking to increase our property holdings in the vicinity of Ibrox not reduce them. That was a monumental failure of Murray's short term attitude during his tenure.

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

The cock-up with friendly in Australia v them and the court case surrounding this. Who authorised it to begin with? 

I'm in the tiny minority that actually seen merit in the fixture 

Again I think it's maily the result of a PR and Communication failure which was entirely avoidable.

I'm sure it'll all come out in the wash.

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Practically ignoring our 150 anniversary where UBs and Hamburg did more than Rangers. 

I concur entirely, that was extremely disappointing to put it mildly.

10 hours ago, CammyF said:

 

Directors, employees and ambassadors leaving under a cloak of secrecy.

 

That's just off the top of my head. 

That's normal practice practically everywhere, can't see how that could possibly be regarded as a failure of the Board.

1 hour ago, CammyF said:

Yeah, it's funny how the board  treat fans. Hilarious in fact, my sides are splitting.

 

Sobbing? Not sobbing, just frustrated and disappointed- completely different. 

In what respect exactly?

6 hours ago, buster. said:

Fair enough but how would you describe the shortcomings, their roots and how it plays out going forward ?

 

 

I think their roots took hold long before the current regime gained control. They then failed to adequately convey to the fans just how far the Club had fallen in EVERY single department, a failure to communicate at the basic level. There are things we may not like to hear but we should hear (imho).

In some respects their errors compounded already problematic areas (i.e. retail) but I don't think they're claiming infallibility.

As much as Bisgove gets it tight from the fans he's the calibre of people we need to recruit, if only everyone fulfilled their remit as well as he does.

Given how much the Board and the other backers have invested I expect them to get it right after it is their OWN money they're playing with.

Whilst they did indeed listen to me regarding the disabled situation they're not going to be knocking on my door for advice on how to run the Club. 😂

56 minutes ago, buster. said:

Aye, but the problem is that our structure / executives (remit/competence) doesn't cover some important areas.

 

If the board as a whole can't see this or act on it, then that is the problem.

 

 

I'm not convinced that is indeed the case.

1 hour ago, buster. said:

The difference in remits was what I was getting at.

 

IMO, when you take the political manouvering / influencing part of what was Lawwell's remit that doesn't appear to be Robertson's bag and you add the lack of professional and competent PR/Communication....it leaves a significant and important hole in our structure.

 

The results of which have been all too obvious for a long time.

Lawwell was a Dictators Dictator all powerful and answerable to one man. We have a collegiate structure than relies on the MD reporting to a Board and that Board reaching a consensus. Lawwell was virtually autonomous. 

4 minutes ago, CammyF said:

Even if I've gone of on  a tangent, my last point remains - there will be people out there who would improve or operations and communications. May not be Davie Weir, but there will be others.

 

I believe Davie Weir could do the job better than the current incumbents (well we don't have anyone doing comms). 

 

The board take great credit for gaining control of the club but that doesn't negate criticism for failings I  operation and comms, nor the requirement to improve on the skill sets of those currently overseeing these parts of the business.

I've been banging on about the PR and Communication for years so we're singing from the same hymn sheet in that respect.

No Board should be immune from criticism and this is one area where it's absolutely merited.

Weir is clearly more intelligent than your average footballer as university degrees are hardly two a penny in that particular sphere but I doubt he's what we need at present.

36 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

That lot always seem to have a dark arts thing going on at the top level, whereas we definitely don't.   

 

As much as I don't like it, sometimes you just have to stoop low to deal with the worst.  Being an absolute bastard is fine if it beats pure evil.  

Pretty sure I recall Martin Bain being described in those very terms numerous times