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David Edgar (the one of the RST) just posted a decent article about Sporting Integrity over on FF

I for one hold my Rangers share* very dear. It is not worth much now, monetary-wise, but that was not the reason I bought it for and cherish it. *The one I got when joining the RST years ago. (And no, I did not join the RST to get that share either.)

IMHO, we will not looking to force players moving over to the newco. If they have any dignity and sense, they do that themselves and then can sail off nonetheless, but at least repay the support with some money. (Though some may say they've already done enough.) Obviously, agents will be out in force to see the contracts gone, so they can actually make a better deal for their players somewhere else. That said, does anyone know whether the players can simply leave now ... or whether they are actually still part of the oldco until it is liquidated? TUPE ... AFAIK is a way to make sure employers are brought to the newco "by law". Whether that pendulum swings in both directions is the bone of contention.

... but Murray was fooled, as we all know. *insert ironic smiley* We all were, matter of fact (bar some doom-singers, who had this time chosen the right 50%).

Calscot, you should expand on every case above a little and have it posted on the main site. People should know this when talking about Rangers' penalties and sanctions.

Fair enough. My heart also tells me that we should pay for our sins. Yet, if we have to pay, it should be according to sensible and impartial rules. What we are getting right now is either far from that or if deemed fair, not according to the guidelines and rules. The SFA and SPL could simply look at the Leeds United case and take it as a precedent. 10 points for admin, 15 points for failure to newco/not CVA-exit of admin. We have already been placed out of Europe for potentially three seasons (which will draw less "star" players to the club, BTW), have seen a title race being derailed and whatnot. We've paid a monetary penalty too. So maybe these sane people just stop dreamin up new scenarios and simple get back to reality.

Had the inital reporter not been on his funny pills, he might have asked Bury first before writing his rubbish. Then again, there should be an editor involved. Out of Range! Bury dismiss idea Gers could move to Manchester as... Daily Mail 11:41 Bury directors reject Rangers speculation ESPN Soccernet 11:37 Bury rubbish Rangers takeover suggestions The Independent 11:20 Rangers to Buy Bury and Play In League One In 2012/13 Starting... CaughtOffside 11:17 Bury dismiss Rangers link Belfast Telegraph 11:14 Bury play down Rangers link Thurrock Gazette 11:06 Bury reassure fans after reports they could be bought by Rangers London Evening Standard 10:58 Bury FC play down Rangers takeover reports Manchester Evening News 10:57 Bury scotch Gers sale reports TEAMtalk 10:50 Bury won't sell to Gers Sky Sports 10:50 But a good story should not come before sane reporting. Is that dolt who wrote that Ally was certain to quit still in the job? I reckon he is, because if memory serves me correctly, it was one of the chief editors of that rag. Little kings with a grand ego.

IMHO, and especially if we go down one or three divisions, the supporters should not stop getting their season tickets. Yes, the product you will receive may not be what you have come to expect, but really, the club is in dire need of any pound and support it can get, especially if we get no SPL and essentially no TV money. A share issue et al is months away and if people are not sticking to the club now, one would be inclined to ask how deep their love for Rangers actually is. That is no insult or challenge, just MHO. Of course, Green could e.g. attach a share or two with each season ticket bought. Not much, but a - hopefully eternal - reminder to the support what they are actually doing here.

Maybe I am mistaken here ... Bluedell ... or just nitpicking, but these weren't "debts". We failed to pay tax bills to HMRC (though some quarters say that HMRC declined some of our payment offers) and after a number of warnings their threat forced us into administration. The "real debts" of unknown quantity were not due at the time, since they were and are not established to this day. At least those "debts" that would bring many a club to its knees. We should always distinguish between what brought the club into administration ... and it was not the big case about the EBTs. It would probably have, but "woulds" are not "haves". It would have saved us and the admins a lot of time and money had HMRC said from the beginning that a CVA was out of the equation.

Obviously, given the recent "findings" on FF, people will still question whether Zeus Capital and any investors have the stamina to see us through this period. For it will cost much more than the 5.5m, with or without players leaving and us being the SPL. For the time being, we essentially can just wait and see. Not exactly head-in-sand, but when the money games are/were played, the supporters hardly get a look behind the scenes. And that's the case all over the world.

Coming to think of it, a foster/farm team in the Conference ... would be decent for scouting and keeping reserve players up to scratch. BTW, the English FA would say no, UEFA would say no, and FIFA probably too. That should be obvious to the reporter ... but why would we want that to come before a neat story?

The heart in my breast says we should not accept any punishment that is not in the books, and we should contest undue punishment for the club, since there was nothing in place to stop Whyte. That will be the same with other clubs and I for one would argue very much like that if this happened to any other club - bar one. But the latter is - again - a matter of heart, not brains. While Whyte messed the company up (and some may claim on purpose, as HMRC was coming after us in due course (or so they think)) and had us into admin, the authorities stood idly by and did not only abstain from helping the club (yet fired broadside upon broadside in our direction), no they apparently did next to nothing in terms of preparing for the implications. Now they are in a hurry to a) safe their faces and b) their business and that will sure lead to some hasty decisions (like the transfer embargo), probably only half thought-through. We should try to see our case both with heart and with brains. I for one sure want the SPL and SFA to suffer because of the behaviour they and a section of their members has shown towards us. "To Hell or Connacht, may the burn in Hell tonight!" Yet, Division 3 will see massive drawbacks for the club as such too. For make no mistake, players will leave, attendance figures will drop, money from the board will be much tighter. And while Div 3 or 2 will still not be difficult to navigate, in essentially 2 years time we will have a team that may only be good enough to challenge for SPL promotion. And once we are back there, it will take some more time ere we will have a chance to even challenge for a top 6 slot. While the sentiment is pretty much there that we should regain our "reputation" back the hard way, rest assured, no-one will care in years to come. If we are out of their picture, people willl solely look at their troubles and clubs and remind us from time to time about our failures and laugh at us. Does anyone really thinks that our reputaion has been hit that much? The world did not care, the Scottish hacks did. They got the authorities in a frenzy way beyond belief and you can now see the reaction. Does anyone actually thinks that once we are back from the doldrums, anyone will say "well done, you worked your way up again and served your punishment, that dark spot on your CV is gone now. Here's your unblemished reputation!"? The Scum will still hate us, as will the Dons. The rest of the SPL will envy us as much as any rich and successful club will be envied. They do not care about our reputation, and the world, as I said above, hardly noticed in the first place. And if it did, it will ask a few questions, gets some un-meddled facts about Whyte, and will say: "ah well, nothing to do with football then."

... then again, no Lawwell, no Scum, no SFA. It does has its advantages.

Sure. It wasn't a genuine suggestion. We have our "want-to-know-all-and-if-possible-before-anyone-else-and-in-exact-detail" people at it again. You wonder what would happen if there was a massive electricity failure and they'd have to wait for a day or two ere any news is being printed in the papers ...

You can share you energy with rustledust over at FF.

Maybe next time you share your wisdom a touch less cryptical and simply give "facts" you find somewhere else. Still, the experts on FF are always spot on, as we know.

That is the type of journalism I would expect of sports reporters. These days, the Traynors and Youngs and Keevins are suddenly financial and tax experts too. Aye right.

They are mixing facts, hunting the wrong people, trying to hammer us, but keep us on standby as SPL/SFL life support. Yep, this makes sure that Scottish football keeps its reputation.

As it looks, the info-junkies will have to wait a little longer for a detailed account on what has been said. Maybe some would simply join up with the RFFF and go to these meetings themselves?

Noted your input in the relevant FF thread. The experts are out in force again.

Welcome to the kindergarden. You should be in bed by now then.

Looks like people have made a hobby out of double checking any of Green's statements for a fault or contradiction. *I tell you: he is up to something!** *(Sarcastic mod on) **(Sarcastic mode off)

Read that and also the line that he's on holiday just now. They will all be back next week and by that time we might even have a clearer picture about our status.

Chris McLaughlin exclusive, aye?

I for one see no reason that the Costa Concordia, her low-key crew and the passengers are made to suffer and are being held responsible for the deeds of the captain and some chosen few at the bridge, i.e. the sinking of the ship.