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what I think is if I was mm and one of the directors I needed to do what I thought was right was refusing. I might go to the press with a reminder about the legal aspect of being a director and their fiduciary duties in law.

Well if that's how Murray works he's no better than Green and he can leave at the same time.

Stopped at Macmillan, the irony of McMillan asking anyone to think before they speak was just too much.

Can someone explain to me why the SPL clubs will be better off if this reconstruction happens?

 

Seems to me that the plans shown display that they will be *worse* off as they will be filtering more money they would have had, down to the lower division clubs. Not only that but a third of them will be involved in the weird middle play-off league that will surely bring in less money than the current set up?

 

I just don't get it and all these claims of job losses etc are given with any substantiation whatsoever. They would be as convincing in claiming if it doesn't happen then the four horsemen of the apocalypse will come. None of it makes sense, including the now or never attitude.

My take is the SPL is broke and they desperately need to wrap it up and walk away to something new.

I'm not sure how you make being one board member to convince before you can oust green dull.

So you would rather have innuendo and hearsay splashed all over the papers, instead of conducted the right way behind closed doors until there is something to say one way or the other.

Did any journalist ask Tennents if they were unhappy about Stokes, IRA support?

Wonder that the answer would be if they had, probably the same as this one. More crap journalism in this country.

do you think he just made this up?

I think he's put his usual sensationalist spin on it to paint us in the worst light, I've no doubt that Murray wants questions asked its his bloody job.

But dull boring reality doesn't sell papers, sensationalist Rangers kicking does.

So not one quote from any of the named people in the article usual Daily Rhebel journalism then.

And so the attack continue, the P word taken out of context to start a witch hunt, and now the Tims show their hand by suddenly claiming No Surrender is sectarian what next WATP.

They managed to get TBB banned because we are a spineless bunch wonder if we will fight for Derry's walls, I doubt it.

Interesting you should mention that as I think it's the lines that Green was thinking along at the time. He was just finished talking about having no issue with signing players whatever their background and this led onto â??The sectarian element of the Old Firm has been a hard thing to get used to. That is something that Iâ??ve found truly amazing and hugely surprising to find this divide in Scotland. It is a completely new concept to me. I was brought up in a mining community where whether someone was black, white, Catholic, Salvation Army, Protestant, made no difference."

 

This is the context in which he was discussing the use of the words and this section of the interview was even introduced with 'Green insists he hates the growing political correctness that is creeping into society...'

 

Personally, I'd like to see a full transcript of the interview as it appears to me that he was trying to make a point which is actually relevant to Rangers. If this is the case though, Can you imagine the outcry if he'd got straight to the point and used the 'f' word?

 

Getting back to the 'h' word, I think you'd find plenty folk on here wanting action to be taken if a Septic employee used that term in an interview.

Jeanette Findlay of the Celtic Trust spends most of her time telling anybody who will listen that Hun is acceptable. The word is used on public broadcast radio nothing is said. We've lost that battle as well.

Plenty of time to get fit.

Cheers mate just crawled out from under a shit load of paper work, thanks for the commentary.

I do not seriously believe Whyte will get anywhere near owning Rangers again.

He won't, but I hope he gets plenty of soap time in the nick.

Now we are talking, surely the press office of a few red top papers should've had a visit they seem to have all the details.

None of us know for sure what McCoist thinks unless we have spoken to him privately. At least he understands the need to keep certain things close to his chest unlike our motormouth CEO.

 

As for the players, whilst we may not care too much about their egos, and whilst we almost all believe that they very much under-achieved, do we REALLY want a mass clear out this pre-season ? Knowing that we still have a transfer embargo in place ? Surely the better thing to do is replace these guys as soon as you can, let the deadwood leave (with public best wishes) and move forward that way, as opposed to just hanging, drawing and quartering them in the press ?

 

I disagree, what he says to other club employees in the privacy of Murray Park is not something that he necessarily should be telling the fans. Clearly you just cant see the damage that can be done by telling the world that the team are shite - and maybe, just maybe, McCoist is trying to defend them because, unlike his CEO, he realises that he still needs to work with these players until he can replace them with better. Or maybe we just let them all hand in transfer requests and leave - yep, we will do well with a reserve side next year.

So Ally gets to play it close to his chest, but Green from Day 1 has been told we want to know it all and we want to know it yesterday, oh and by the way we want it done tomorrow. We are a football club why hasn't Ally been hounded day after day for his long term plans for the first team squad never mind the rest of football operations.

When Bain was in charge would we have expected him to tell us his plans for the football operations of course not, we wanted to hear from Walter, don't see why anything has changed.

So come on Ally give us your 5/10 year plan in detail for football operations then start shouting about getting backing from Green or whoever the CEO happens to be. Or as a lot of us suspect are you just looking for a blank cheque book and lets wing it and hope for the best

Jeez we must be in a mess if we would take the baldy model back.

This is the same CEO who continually asked Liewell just who deep he wanted to ram it up us before he said anything.

Take the charge move on, as for the other bit tell them to f#^k off if they had been that bothered before the slimy wee shit wouldn't have got his hands on us.

So McCoist thinks he is God because he tells some lies.... but Green is OK to do so ?

 

McCoist's lies regarding the team are what the vast majority of managers will do, and would do, in his situation - unfortunately players want, and need, their egos stroked. We dont have a particularly good, or large, squad right now - so to come out and say that they are pish (which is what he would be doing effectively) isnt a particularly wise move. The decent players would be the first ones looking for the nearest exit. But if you dont think that he needs to play that particular issue with kid gloves then we will just have to agree to disagree. When it comes to managing players we all have seen how that can be difficult to do when dealing with their egos and personalities. I spoke to one of the Academy youth coaches last week and he was certainly clear that behind the scenes McCoist is far, far from happy at the performances this year - but the public face sometimes has to say different in order to keep the peace with his squad. And, yes, there MIGHT be instances where CG has to do likewise - nothing really this week though that he couldnt have handled far better.

 

What demands has McCoist been throwing at Green ? To tell us the truth ? what other demands has he been making ?

 

I dont think he is trying to convince us of anything. He knows as well as we do that the performances have been awful. You honestly think he doesnt see what we see ? Of course he does. But, as said above, he has players who wouldnt take too kindly to being told they arent up to the bottom tier of Scottish football, whether that is the truth or not.

To be honest I actually don't think he does see it as all that bad he's a student of Walter, as for the players egos I'm sure there bank balance will out weigh any criticism they should have coming.

If he is telling people its not good enough he should also be telling us the bill payers the same, after all we live in this full disclosure world these days.

And right on time The Mentor releases a statement backing up his student.

He does ? Cant say I have seen that. Any suggestion as to why you think that way ?

Just his general bullishness since the weekend, he sees Green as weak and is suddenly throwing about demands for this and that. While trying to tell anybody that will listen this isn't the worst team almost all of us have seen.

He should just come out and say we have been terrible this season, yes we won the league but the standard of football has been terrible. He doesn't need to defend the players they all have tweeted or spoke about how bad they've been this season.

But instead he is trying to convince us it wasn't as bad as we all know it was.

Scottish football is quite literally jaywalking in front of a bus.

Truly eye watering how these past couple of years have turned out.

The laughable thing is when Scottish football as we know it folds, the media will also end up in front of the bus.

That these eejits can't see what they're doing to their own futures beggars belief.

Makes you wonder who wins it that scenario?

Only one club that I can see.

Now you mention it, I am on the verge of taking a step back on my criticism of Ally, in the name of the calm I'm preaching.

Stick to your guns mate your doing fine, don't let them talk you around.

Your criticism of Ally isn't misplaced, the man thinks he's God of all a sudden.

It wasn't a joke!

Well considering STB is the only out and out defender on the site that would make him hysterical, he seems fine to me.

I've said on twitter, and in person a few times since, that Green has to go. This was my immediate reaction to his "paki" jibes when I first read them late on Saturday night, and I stick by it. Its no bandwagon, its how I feel.

 

All things considered, we needed a Green-type figure. The street-fighter description that has been used is a good one; someone who will scrap and fight dirty where necessary. Someone who would stand up for what he believed in and wasn't afraid to speak his mind. For the most part, I've been behind what he has said, and I have been prepared to forgive some of his half-truths because he was actually delivering the big-ticket items that he said he would. But I simply cannot fathom why his press statements and poor judgement seem to have escalated so much in the space of the last week other than to say his ego seems to be out of control.

 

We need someone now who can help us through the growth and regeneration phase. Green may well be someone that in other circumstances could do the job well, but he's made too many enemies and got his hands too dirty along the way. As I said, much of this was absolutely necessary but we need a safer pair of hands to take us forward from here. Green must go.

That is probably the most sensible post on Green I've read in this whole mess.

Safer pair of hands I hope means somebody who knows how to fight cute, because he will have a lot more battles to fight.

I've seen more "mad hysteria and overreaction" from those defending Green than from anyone else. People are rightfully questioning the man, his word and his integrity while his supporters are flapping and getting their knickers in a twist about it.

 

 

 

Hopefully it would be a case of the club's other 90 odd percent shareholders bringing in a CEO who acts in a manner befitting the CEO of Rangers.

So I get to sit in on the interview outstanding, always thought it would be the board that did the interviews.

Greens defenders are the hysterical ones, that did make me laugh.

Green leaving doesant necessarily constitute a BAD thing either though, does it ? We could end up with a far better CEO, just as easily as we could end up with a worse one.

Switch that around it will be the board appointing him/her to the job a board full of old Rangers. I wouldn't expect a hard hitting CEO more likely to get a carbon copy of Bain or now Walter is well in maybe Bain himself there's a thought to keep you awake at night.

That's a ridiculous comment. I've never said or even remotely insinuated any such thing.

Not anymore ridiculous than the stuff we've had on here for the last few days, mad hysteria and overreaction instead of actually thinking forward to what would actually happen if Green leaves.