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And you just know that the Rangers fans would not accept that!

Probably not and I guess we'll never know.

I will say though he was the only one who tried to change things in that period. He said himself he had a 3 year plan.

I was a fan of PLG. I believe that when we let him go and brought back Walter Smith it set Rangers back years. Yes he was stabilising influence but that wasn't what we needed at that time we needed strong decisons to be made and to see them through.

PLG needed time and he needed Murray to back him even if it meant a couple of years of winning nothing we would have been in better shape at the end of it in my opinion.

I will admit I don't have any real knowledge of how any of this works but how I see it is:

In 97/98 Joe Lewis got 25% Rangers for £40 milliion which would value us at around £160 million. In 2000 or so Dave King got 5% for his £20 million which values us at £400 million. Then in 2001 Joe Lewis sold his 25% back to Murray for about £10 million when Rangers were apparently £80 million in debt and Murray had to do the share issue.

I don't know what to make of Dave King. Perhaps he did it because he loves Rangers but from a purely business view that chain of events seems nuts

He might've put money into Rangers and thats great. But he stood idly by and let Murray and Whyte run us into the ground.

I'm curious though what did his £20million buy him? Not shares anyway or any real say in what was going on. He claims to have owned 5% but was that even true?

If I was investing that sort of money I would want a bit of power. The ENIC guy got 25% for his £40million.

Honestly, in this day and age, you're doing exactly that. Keep reminding you of: Scotland, SPL football, relative anonymity when it comes to international managers looking for players etc. ... and think not only of players wanting to "suffer" this (in this day and age), but also managers. Managers capable of fulfilling your agenda that is ...

I would disagree, is it really asking too much that we have a manager who fits the earlier description. We should have coaches/managers who are able to take ok players and make them good, good players and make them great.

Rangers have not done this for a long, long time.

Rangers should also be able to go out and get ok prospects and make them good prospects through training and coaching.

Rangers have not done this for a long, long time.

We are only doing it now because we are being forced to. I can't tell you how many times I sighed when we went out and signed players like Beattie, Ostenstad, Bernard or Maniero.

Had I been a young player at Rangers during these times I would be thinking how shit am I? If I can't get a game before these guys and then to make matters worse we would then spend even more money paying these guys off

I'm happy about the appointment of Smith it gives Charles Green a huge endorsement. I don't want him to have anything to do with running the team though his time in that respect has past.

We need to be looking to the future

McCoist won't leave Rangers if he quit the managers role he'd get a similar job to Smith.

Not sure about this but perhaps some of the more financially minded on the forum will know.

Usually when a club are in Hearts position then you would expect them to go into administration that would allow them to restructure debt etc. Then come out of administration hopefully in a healthier state than when they entered.

However with regards to Vladimir Romanov what happens if he just says "f**k it" and liquidates Hearts because he seems to have lost interest in them. Then sells the assets off at his leisure

Can he do that?

Am I the only one that finds Barca's (and Spain for that matter) current brand of football slightly boring to watch? As much as i admire their tipy tapy style I do find it a bit tedious. How many crosses or shots did they have last night? Sometimes it's passing for passings sakes for me. Give me a team like AC Milan (circa late 80's-early 90's) anyday. Power' date=' skill and pace all rolled into one[/quote']

 

Agreed the Red Star Belgrade team that we played in the early 90's was an amazing team too as was the Ajax team from the mid 90's. I like Barcelona, I like to watch them. But I prefer Real Madrid I think they are an all round better team.

 

The OP is a bit of an over reaction. Celtic got a good result last night that's it.

 

Rangers will rise again and our European glory nights wll return

Why did we have to mention THEM in an article celebrating OUR history FFS. F**k them and their history. I don't care if they've won 100 European Cups' date=' it doesn't change what we've won.

 

Poor show Sandy. I would expect better tbh[/quote']

 

I agree. We should leave Celtic to their obsession with us. Our history speaks for itself

It was a good result for them and will probably get them Europa League at least.

Bits of the late sixties and some of the seventies weren't too golden.

I'd say it was our most successful era though. We made 3 European Finals and won 4 trebles.

Could you not do 4 or 5 seperate pictures?

For Example:

1872 - 1914 - "The Gallant Pioneers"

1914 - 1945 - "The War Years"

1945 - 1979 - "The Golden Era"

1980 - 2012 - "The Modern Era"

Doing it like this would enable you to get most peoples favourites (hopefully) ;-)

Rangers have the facilities to make a system like this work. But as other posts have already suggested not the scouting network or dare I say the coaching staff

Does Chris Woods not still hold the world record for the longest shutout? Which he achieved when in goal for us

Sorry it's a British record

Jim Forrest had a great record for us in the 60's. Iain McMillan as well.

Ray Wilkins he was one of the brains behind Ancellotti's Chelsea

I can't believe the report that appeared on c4 actually passed for a report it was so stage managed it was unbelievable. c4 needs to have a long hard look at itself

attitude. from managers, coaches and especially the players themselves.

I'm not just talking about McCoist though. Smith, Advocaat, McCleish and Le Guen all had the same problem it has just got progressively worse

Rangers used to be able to buy someone that was ok and make him great. Rangers have lost this as the years have gone by.

Something is far wrong with the coaching system/techniques at Rangers apparently Murray Park is one of the best complexes of it's kind in this country. Yet we have players who look seriously out of shape. If you look at the players in the EPL the players at the big clubs look like athletes ours don't.

Why is that?

Whyte should get done for illegal trading, at least.

 

Not sure that they will get Murray on anything.

He admitted to fraud last week during his BBC interview. When he said he knew administration/ liquidation was virtually unavoidable when he bought Rangers but he still used the money from Ticketus to finance it

They need to cut costs and start living within their means. Most of these teams have fair enough youth policies they should start using them instead of spending thousands on someone no-one has heard of for nothing in return

The next evolution of Football I think will be regional Super Leagues of some sort. We’re already starting to see the beginning of this with the proposed formation of the Balkan Super League. http://www.sbnation.com/we-kick-balls/2012/10/10/3484688/balkan-super-league-possibly-on-tap-for-2015

When this happens on a larger scale I think it will make national leagues meaningless. It will keep the Champions League slightly interesting although I would think that it would be in much reduced format.

Great opening post Frost.

 

Frankie is right, we keep waiting for the bubble to burst and yet it just seems to keep getting bigger, except it actually doesn't. All thats happening is we're seeing fewer bubbles, the Scottish 'bubble' is well and truly burst, the Dutch one burst a while ago, even the Italian bubble has a large question mark over it. In Spain the 'big two' still seem invulnerable, but below them it's carnage, clubs like Athletico Madrid, Valencia and Seville are fucked, Swansea come and cherry pick their best players now. The German bubble was never as big as others and is still in place and the top flight English bubble is really the only one that continues to grow. Whatever anyone say's that isn't sustainable, a tipping point will be reached in the future.

We are very close to the bubble bursting in England it won't be long. The Champions League even feels flat now

Perhaps some of the various fans groups will ask the club why Rangers Direct charges £49.99 for a home top that costs £37 on Sports Direct.com.

 

http://www.rangersdirect.co.uk/football-kits/2012-2013-football-kits

 

http://www.sportsdirect.com/football-shirts/scottish-league-football-shirts/rangers-football-shirts

I bought my Rangers top from the store at Ibrox and it cost me £27.

Things like the above are designed to rip people off in my opinion.