RabiDuck

Fair point, but coming from an education background there's also an argument to be made in favour of uniforms as a method of removing elements of social stigma. Everyone wearing the same removes the pressure from financially stricken families to keep up with more affluent neighbours. Nobody want's to be the 10yr old wearing old hand-me down clothes whilst the rest are in the latest trendy fashion. Not saying it's right, just adding an additional consideration.

Boughie? Interesting. Thoughts guys? Not so keen on looking back and he's not particularly set the world alight since moving on...

Also worth noting the lack of any mention in the mhedia. Imagine the outcry if we'd had a banner in our crowd (however small) with the word f***** included. We'd (rightly) have been lambasted and calls for action against those fans. Their banner filled half the stand and was clearly intended to be provocative, yet we've heard nothing!

Agreed that it clearly is offensive, but given the lack of any previous complaint being upheld for its use (as far as I'm aware) and the constant use of it at a number of grounds, it's obvious that the authorities aren't willing to take action against it. I'll be very surprised if this is any different and action is taken.

Ah, but hun isn't an offensive word remember, so there's no issue with the sign... Or are you referring to the scum in green and white? Obviously they should never have been allowed to set foot in the stadium!

Wow, what a game. Now I remember why I hate penalties! Although Fods saving from Broonie has to be up there as an all time highlight! Fantastic result and given the way we played, particularly the first half, well deserved. Second half not so good and in a moment's honesty you have to wonder what would have happened had Roberts (I think it was) not missed an open goal. Is he secretly a Rangers fan??

Tongue in cheek perhaps, but perhaps more of a reason for Zelalem in that he's not our player and we're not risking our own boys' health against Brown!

Hopefully a surprise for Celtic too, they'd never see it coming!

Fair comment. In that case, I'd go with Zelalem. He has a bit of something about him, although doesn't always show it. Perhaps the big game environment is one that will bring out the best in him, it's certainly an atmosphere that will allow him to show his home club what he has. Plus as he's off at the end of the season he's not going to jeopardise a future with the club by a poor showing owing to rustiness...

A fair comment Frankie, puts me in mind of the situation when Klos was out injured and unable to reclaim a starting place in the team with Waterreus not exactly a fans favourite. Eventually he was thrown in in a high pressure match against Celtic and made a couple of major errors and was hardly seen again after. Not enough game time to claim a starting place, and as such, probably too risky to throw them in from the start here I think.

A little surprised that he seems to be of the opinion that we're not a new club, none of that rubbish in there. Are they running out of people to push that argument then?

Agreed that winning this one won't be the highest point in our history given the other honours we've won, but it's the only one missing from the full set. League 2, League 1, Championship, Premiership, Scottish Cup, League Cup. Would be a shame not to take the opportunity to get the full house, so to speak, a feat unlikely to be repeated any time soon and (I believe) never achieved before?

Controversial view point, possibly, but I'm personally in favour of footballing debts being paid by the club. Tax issues aside (they're a matter for the PLC and not the club) payments such as transfers are football payments so should be the remit of the football club, hence we still should be paying them. Likewise footballing monies coming in (transfer fees etc). If nothing else, it supports the same club argument!

As much as the club has +10%?

In all fairness, they'd be somewhat foolish not to! I'm assuming they feel they're the best candidates for the role, otherwise they wouldn't be standing!

I don't understand. I thought WATP was our statement, who are these Sevco mob that feel they can also use it?

The footballing authorities Football's governing bodies like to stay out of the political spotlight, and they refused to comment when asked if they were for or against the UK's EU membership. But Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore gave an insight into his position last October, in a little reported speech to the Institute of Directors. According to the International Business Times, he said: "I believe we, in the UK, must be in Europe from a business perspective. I believe in the free movement of goods, but when it comes to services, we must be entitled, especially in the audiovisual world, to territorialism." By services he meant broadcasting rights, which the Premier League's entire £3.3bn a year business depends on. Scudamore argued that broadcasting rights should be protected by national governments, to protect the Premier League's exports of raw live feeds of games from piracy and copyright infringement. The FA is concerned about the influx of foreign players into the top tier of the English game, which it believes is crowding out young home-grown talent. Working with the Home Office, it has brought in tougher visa restrictions on players from outside the EU, to ensure only established stars can be snapped up by English clubs. The FA declined to comment on whether it would like to see similar restrictions on players from within the EU, which could only come about if Britain left. Rory Miller, former director of the MBA (Football Industries) programme at Liverpool University "The interests of the FA, which is concerned about the future of the England team, and the Premier League, which is concerned with maximising the value of national and international broadcasting rights for the clubs, are far from identical. "If - after Britain left the EU - there was a strict migration quota strictly applied then one would assume that the Home Office would give preference to the thousands of workers needed to keep essential public services going. Footballers and other sports people would not be given priority, except, perhaps, for the absolute stars. "The worst case scenario for the Premier League is that it would not be permitted to attract foreign stars in great numbers and would then lose ground in international sponsorship and broadcasting rights to rivals like Spain and Germany. This would make a minor hole in the UK's invisible exports and tax receipts as well. "While Premier League teams might thus be forced to give more opportunities to home grown English players, it is doubtful whether the growing insularity of English football would actually benefit the England team because of diminished opportunities to play against the very best and to be coached by the very best. "In the end, it will all depend on how British politics evolve after an exit from the EU. If right wing 'Little Englanders' came to power, insisting on the strictest migration quotas, then the international attraction of the Premier League would be significantly reduced." Will Straw, Britain Stronger in Europe The EU promotes sport in schools across Europe, says Will Straw "British football, its clubs and its fans, are stronger and better off in Europe. "For clubs, free movement plays a vital role in the transfer marker. Players from the EU can sign for UK clubs without needing a visa or work permit. "Leaving the EU could have a big impact on foreign players, as a Guardian study has found that around two thirds of Premiership players from the EU would not meet the criteria currently used for non-Europeans to get a work visa automatically. "Losing this unhindered access to European talent would put British clubs at a disadvantage. FA boss Martin Glenn has said that deteriorating relations between the EU and Britain is one of his 'biggest concerns'. "Fans benefit from Britain's membership of the EU. Europe's single market brings us cheaper flights, making it more affordable to see away games across Europe. Free movement, meanwhile, ensures that British fans don't face visa fees when travelling around Europe. "But this is not just about the big leagues, it is also about the future of the sport. The EU promotes sport in schools across Europe. Under the Erasmus programme, anyone in Britain with a bright idea for a local football project can get money from the EU to get the ball rolling and make that idea a reality. Britain has received £1.5m in Erasmus sports funding over the past two years. "Football in our country gains so much from being in Europe. Clubs and fans all benefit from European action, laws and funding. Leaving the EU would hurt our leagues, inconvenience our fans, and be a step back for the next generation of footballers." Robert Oxley, Vote Leave Would leaving the EU strengthen the England team? "In the dressing room of the Britain Stronger in Europe campaign, the team tactics are quite clear. Run 'project fear' and scare voters about the prospect of leaving the EU. "Their latest claims, that football would somehow be damaged by a vote to leave are utter nonsense and should be shown the red card. "Their claims ignore the fact that outside the EU, we would be free to set our own policy on migration, visas, and work permits to suit our economy and our national game and instead assume we would apply an incredibly restrictive visa regime that literally no-one is arguing for. "Right now we are both prevented from implementing policies to nurture domestic talent and from bringing the top footballing talent from right across the globe. That's the worst of all worlds. "The FA has acknowledged the recent restrictions that have been introduced on skilled immigration from non-EU countries are the direct consequence of the EU's freedom of movement rules. "This has hurt clubs' abilities to bring in players from outside of the EU while preventing any limits from being imposed within the EU. That's not a decision of anyone we elect, that's thanks to the controversial 1995 Bosman ruling in the European Court of Justice. This trade-off has happened across the economy, but what if it didn't have to give up control on players from inside and outside of the EU? "What if the UK and the FA got to decide who plays in the Premier league from abroad rather than unaccountable and unelected EU judges? That's what would happen if we vote leave. Don't believe the scaremongering to the contrary." Brian Monteith, Leave.eu "Leaving the EU will be of great benefit for British football for it will mean we can lift our horizons to recruit from the rest of the world because it will become easier to introduce footballers from countries outside the EU. "All we hear is the scaremongering about leaving the EU when the truth is it offers positive opportunities for us and children from poorer nations. Who could be against that? "The freedom of movement for people in the EU comes at the price of heavy restrictions on visas for potential signings from Africa, the Caribbean, South America and Asia. Once we leave the EU the UK will be free to treat footballers from all countries equally which will broaden the pool of talent for our teams, not reduce it. "Why should our clubs find it difficult to gain a work permit for a highly talented Moroccan or Nigerian but a Belgian of only average talent is made an easy option. Surely it makes sense to treat everyone equally and let our clubs decide who they want to sign?" --- It's more focused on English football (obviously) but some interesting points: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35427610

The definition is hard, as many have said, he's been a good player who's made significant contributions, the question I suppose is if it were 20 years later, in 2036, would we be talking about Kenny Miller in a legends topic? Brian Laudrup left us in 1998 (IIRC) and is constantly talked about in these topics, others named are even longer ago in many cases. Legend, as mentioned, is pertaining to mythical events or actions. Not entirely relevant to this discussion, but hints towards longevity of memory being important. If we're not likely to be talking about the great Kenny Miller in 20 years time, then he's probably not a legend. If we are likely to be talking about him in 20 years time, then he qualifies?

A legend, by definition, should surely be someone who's made a clear, tangibly individual difference to the squad he's played in. By those standards the likes of Grieg, Laudrup, Cooper are obvious examples. (On his playing career, before we get sidetracked) Ally is worthy of mention in such a category as well as the likes of Goram and Klos I'd argue. Then there are those who haven't necessarily had the massive individual contributions, but have a special place in the fan's hearts, somebody such as Albertz or Mols would be examples I suspect. By either measure, Kenny falls short. Yes he's been a great servent for the club and made a valuable contribution, but "Legend" is probably a bit too much.

Sold to Blackpool for 500k I seem to recall, but I have a vague recollection we had a sell on clause in there too, it looked quite promising at one point as rumour of a 10m+ bid from Liverpool was doing the rounds!

Nothing to punish them for surely? They're obviously being provoked!

Probably because he provided good updates and didn't declare Rangers guilty despite the evidence in front of him. Still find it incredible that the judge didn't even bother to hear the defence yesterday, such was the lack of any tangible case from SD!

Reading through it all, the tone of the judge (even through the tweets) is getting more and more exasperated. Any chance he might just throw the whole thing out and bring the documents into public domain using judicial privilege? (if such a thing exists...)

This is hilarious, really brightening up a dull day at work!

Calscot, couldn't agree more. Local talent should be the way forward. The difficulty is that often mediocre foreign talent of a similar standard is considerably cheaper. With regards the Leeds games, I remember them fondly. As a Yorkshire lad who watched football but didn't have a particular allegiance at the time, these were the games that turned me into a Rangers fan. Won over by the style of play and commitment. Great times indeed!