TheTinMan99

Congrats to Rangersitis for his victory, thanks to Zappa for organising and updating, and a special FU to ser barristan for acting like a big wean towards the end.

As an aside, I would've pissed it if extra time didn't count.

Grown men getting upset about strip designs? Don't buy it if you don't like it. Hardly any of the profit goes to the "club" anyway.

I was going to change my 3rd/4th place game score, but seeing as it's annoying the forum gimp, I think I'll leave it.

When 17,000 foot soldiers decide to keep funding the enemy, not much even the best of Generals can do. He told us what needed to be done, and a fair percentage of us (almost half), decided against it. Hardly King's fault.

Official complaint lodged wi FIFA about these additional points. No way would PapaBear have picked Holland. Admin should stay out of the battle of the bottom Zappa. If these auld codgers can't work out a simple drop down box, it's not my problem.

Shameless pandering, if that is an attempt at a union flag. That flag doesn't represent a fair percentage of our support, no matter what gets said on forums.

Joined Zap.

You really seem to underestimate the urgency of us returning to the top flight.

 

Should Celtic fans also not buy season tickets due to risk of 'vultures'?

I suppose the bonuses for winning leagues will stop, so you may have a point. Whatever you think about the ********, they are a million miles ahead of us in every sense, footballing and business wise. Only when they're our direct opponents again, will the difference be unavoidable.

Considering we had a brand new company set up and weren't even allowed to play a football match until the 11th hour i'd like to know what your grand plan was for our survival if you're saying fans shouldn't have bought tickets.

We could've let Green and co finance their own get rich quick scheme. If that meant us missing a season, then it would've been a small price to pay. As long as we keep ploughing in lump sums every season, the vultures will keep on coming. I dare say we would've been ok without the likes of Black, and Sandaza.

Honest mistakes were made by the support, in our haste to secure the club we never noticed the fox in the chicken coop. It's a fact that a fox will kill every chicken in a coop in an attempt to store up on food for a later date, Green was a hungry fox. In his haste to fill his financial larder he has just about killed our club.

When the likes of Green openly tell you they're here to fill their big Yorkshire hands, it's probably prudent to take them at their word. To this day I can't believe a solitary adult fell for his pish. Saying that, the self same people are continuing to back basically the same regime, minus Green(we think). There was a window where Green and co didn't have a pot to piss in. We bought books and filled his pot, and the rest is history.

I don't think anyone bought books back then with any other intention than helping the club, but it was extremely naive to expect any other outcome than what we face now.

Considering football clubs are expected to make signings during summers and offer them contracts worth thousands a week i'd say it's a bit different, and up front income is crucial to being able to plan ahead. Relying completely on game to game income isn't viable, you only have to look at how attendances can drop throughout a season, sometimes the way fixtures and cup draws work out you have no home games for about a month and in the summer there are no games at all.

 

If we had England type TV money it may not matter so much but that's obviously not the case and European income is a lottery as we've showed with several qualifying defeats. Costs would need to be cut to ridiculously low levels (even more than they already do) for your vision to work.

It's not my vision, it's how normal business works. If you want people to pay in advance, then you offer incentives, ie, reduced rates. Expecting people to pay in advance just to service the bonus culture doesn't wash anymore. lol@ needing it to buy players.

Where we find ourselves just now ST sales are imperative.Without them our existence could be at risk if (god forbid) there was another liquidation

They didn't stop the company being liquidated the first time. Why such confidence they would prevent a second insolvency event? A football club should be able to exist in much the same way as any other business. Provide a service, receive payment. Do we need £12m+ to survive the survive the summer?

Sorry but if people are going to go down thss route they need to accept the reality of what it is rather than talking like it's simply deciding to not shop at a supermarket.

Supermarkets don't treat their customers with this amount of contempt. They also don't expect you to pay for your messages a year in advance as a show of loyalty. They retain customers by offering a good service, and running the business well, and consistently. None of this is happening at Ibrox. They can only trade off blind loyalty for so long, as is being proven.

If you treat supporters like mere customers, you can't act surprised when they start behaving like one.

The club will sell Murray Park before taking kings money because that makes greenco richer. It's horrendous for rangers though.

The damage was done when so many of us backed Green all the way to the bank, including most of our supporters groups. The head honcho's of the UOF were as far up Green's arse as anyone at one point. Whatever the support does now will be bad for the club, even a total boycott. The shareholders have the club by the balls, and anyone that backed Green at any point, is 100% to blame.

Green set us on a road to mediocrity at best, ruin at worst. King is trying his hardest to find a way out the shit, and still a decent amount of us deride him. Our only hope is every solitary fan standing behind him. Fat chance.

There's clubs that would kill to have that, talking about it as some sort of negative sums up this cluster fuck

It should be a positive, but it becomes negative in the wrong hands. It's the only power the support have these days.

Our history of buying season books and merchandise en masse every season is what attracts so many vultures to the club. It has become the very definition of an "onerous contract", and the quicker we stop doing it, the better.

Is this another one of andy steel's pals?

#guttedimissedthispish

Part time is part time, while we've paid millions to top flight full time players and even a fair few internationalists.

 

I know you like to defend Ally but it's ridiculous to talk as if we've actually faced any decent challenge these last two years.

Over the course of the season, of course there was little challenge, but on a game by game basis, we had more than a few battles that we were lucky to escape from. In fact, we suffered some defeats and draws along the way. I just think it's a tad disrespectful to label them all butchers and candlestick makers. Overall the teams lack quality but there was many a player that wouldn't have looked out of place with a blue shirt on.

Nothing to do with Ally.

McCoist didn't have to as there was no doubt about getting out of leagues of butchers and joiners

You have to laugh at this ridiculous analogy. I wonder what percentage of our opponents are actually ex-pros, or up and coming possibles, as opposed to them all being butchers, joiners, and not forgetting our trusty postmen. Part time footballers can be equally as fit, and in some cases equally as skillful as pros, especially in this country.

Draw a chalk line at the point of entry. This should stop the little buggers, without killing them.

So despite the various warning signs for those who cared to look you didn't see the dangers.

 

Did you apply the same level of scrutiny towards CG&Co ?

STB still thinks the sun shines out Green's arse, despite the current CEO literally blaming him for the current woes. He also rather strangely supports the current CEO and board. He's entitled to his opinions, of course. It would just be nice if they made some sort of logical sense.

You've somewhat proved my point there.

Only if your point was that some "slippery slopes" can indeed be a good thing. I suspect it wasn't.

His basic salary at Vancouver:

 

2012 $1,221,816 Vancouver Whitecaps FC

2013 $1,114,992 Vancouver Whitecaps FC

 

•The Whitecaps' average (mean) salary is $143,604, just slightly higher than the league-wide average of $141,903.

•With a total base salary expenditure of $4,308,121, the Caps are fourth-highest in the MLS, behind only New York ($10,008,068), Los Angeles ($9,026,930), and Cascadian rival Seattle ($5,363,796).

•Vancouver's Kenny Miller ($1,114,992) earns the seventh-highest salary in MLS. A total of eight MLS players to draw over a million dollars per season, led by LA's Robbie Keane at 4 million per season.

 

http://www.eightysixforever.com/2013/5/7/4309180/mls-salary-figures-looking-at-the-caps

 

Small wonder they didn't want to resign him.

Doing some rough fag packet mathematics, that puts him on about 11k a week sterling. Are we now to believe that someone who was once a beneficiary of the green and grey pound, now wants to come play for us for a "nominal" fee? I smell a rat, or at the very least, a dodgy knee or two.