TheTinMan99

Obviously playing for time while the tipp-ex dries on the bonus section of Wallace's contract, allegedly.

I never heard his interview in full, i was going with what the poster said on his post and assuming he was quoting Ally.

 

Not withstanding that though, Ally can have absolutely ZERO complaints about the support he has had from the Board both on staff and personal wages as well as player purchases. A top class manager would have ripped it up and started again with a increasing 4 year plan whereas Ally simply brought in player after player to keep him and his pals in a job as he has been quoted saying.

He has been reasonably well supported, but to a certain extent, he had use the "sledgehammer to crack a nut" approach. Failure to win any of these leagues would've been a total disaster. Taking the utopian view of building a team from scratch, with promising youths, etc, was never going to guarantee the promotions we needed. Ally has to work in reality, not with idealistic goals.

The fact is, we need an entire new team to compete with them on any serious level. This can only be achieved by spending on established players. It's been proven to be the way for generations. Building teams from scratch is for teams that have little income, which we are well on the way to becoming.

Actually i was saying it in response to Allys disbelief on the expenditure.

I'll rephrase; do you personally think it's excessive? Or does Ally have a genuine point, without picking apart the words he actually used. It's been so long since we bought anyone, he probably forgot.

What about Templeton ?

 

And all the signing on fees ?

 

The accounts clearly show £1.5m spent on player purchases. Plus not forgetting £1.2m for his own salary. And another £1.2m on his coaching staff. £3.9m or 6% of our total expenditure over the 18 months on player purchases and 4 coaches.

Lol. 6% of our expenditure on our total coaching staff, and player purchases, and you're saying that like it's excessive?

King and Gough, or faceless hedge funds? Quite a poser who to trust.

Thanks, but that's not semantics, it's just plain wrong and grossly misleading; even GS can't explain it and he can explain most things a lot better than me.

Are you talking about King or Wallace? You could argue that 2 seasons book money has been "lost". It certainly hasn't been spent/invested wisely with the clubs best interest at heart, and that's directly from Mr Wallace's mouth. Perhaps a better choice of words from King would've been "pissed away", as opposed to "lost".

As for who has been plain wrong, or grossly misleading, only one of the aforementioned chaps is currently being investigated by Police Scotland for their recent comments. It seems that Mr Wallace was the only person in Scotland that thought we had enough cash to see us to the season end. It's not surprising you pick out one sentence from the King statement, and virtually ignore the sentiment behind it.

Unlike you to avoid a straight question.

 

King says "Fans could once again lose their season ticket advances if given to the club at this time. "

 

When did fans lose their so called "season ticket advances"?

If only you picked apart the boards semantics with the same enthusiasm, BH.

If Wallace didn't know if there was sufficient funds to last until the season end, he could have quite easily have said that. Saying things changed, or he didn't have all the information is not a valid excuse. In fairness, he was handed a car crash to sort out, but he hasn't exactly covered himself in glory.

Finishing 3rd with the 2nd? largest budget in the league=Genius:laugh:

I agree but it would be good if we could get the figures. Most of the staff will be on poor wages probably not much more that basic wage.

We don't need to know how much the tea lady is on. A list of whoever is pulling £100k+ p.a would suffice. A separate list of bonuses would be swell also. Don't hold your breath for either. It's none of our business.

Because the former is loan the latter is payment for a service; we've been through all this before.

Here was me thinking it was a credit facility. Calling it a 'loan', would imply that Mr Easdale physically transferred the monies directly into the clubs account. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. Maybe it was a public relations stunt. Who knows. All we do know is, whatever happened, it was half a million, secured against assets.

Just out of interest, do you consider the credit card companies advancing book money as a loan? It's not just traditional loans that can command some type of security.

Does anyone know Richard Gough's business experience?

 

And before anyone gets too excited this is just a question.

 

I have tried googling and cannot find anything.

You don't need to be a businessman to know that pissing away 70m in 18 months is beyond a joke. The " big boys dun it, and ran away" explanation, is unacceptable. Those very same "big boys" are the ones who are appointing our entire board.

It's shameful how "we" have fucked this up, and there is little hope in the review for it changing any time soon. I could have typed up that pish in 120 minutes, not 120 days.

Tell us who's on bonuses Mr Wallace, or go fuck yourself.

Even the journalists don't give Whyte's claims much space these days so I can't say i'd thought much about it.

Journalists don't have to sign off our accounts. Any outside investors won't be aware how legitimate Whyte's claim is. We don't even know, and we've been following it for 2 years.

I read that as a tims assertion of Orangemen, not Andys.

The general tone of the rest of his post would suggest otherwise, but I'm sure he is big and ugly enough to defend his own words, if he feels the need.

I thought that the idea was that the fans were to be given the security. I don't see this statement as tying in with this principle.

 

Who are the shareholders of the company? Just Dave King? So it will be a Dave King controlled company? It's one thing to ask the directors of the club to grant security of the stadium to "the fans". It's another to ask them to grant it to what appears to be just Dave King, and despite my respect for him and my feelings on the current board, that idea makes me feel very uncomfortable.

 

It's almost as if they don't want the security because they seem to setting it up to make it impossible for the board to do what they are asking.

Were you not just a few days ago commenting on how there is no company set up to administer such a scheme? Now they set one up, and it still doesn't sit right with you? Maybe you could expand on why Mr King being granted the security makes you feel "uncomfortable", because I'm sure you would rather our most valuable assets were under his control, than the staus quo.

Because, like the pitiful marketing effort by Timothy above, it plays up to the worst in the fan base and makes us look like we're still fighting the wars of the past. Which said, I didn't mind the Orange top since I completely bought into the Dutch tribute side of it. If haters insist I did it because I am a knuckle dragging Orangeman, that's their worry.

 

Times must be hard, right enough.

Is there really any need for that, Andrew? You may or may not agree with the Orange Order, but that's a bit low.

I can see Jig getting this bus driving gig, when he finally stops impersonating a centre half. Daly as his assistant, hopefully.

Its what SOS quoted to me on my Twitter Time Line TM - and when I asked Chris Graham about it later he also alluded to a desire for DK to publish it - but doubted he would

Fair enough if you have heard it elsewhere, but I'm not convinced that Somers would be so naive to put something like that in writing.

Of course BH' date=' perhaps some Devil's Advocate will come along and point out that the primary cause in the tight deadlines is possibly the threat of a ST Trust - one which is destined to fail with a non-co-operative board.

 

The best way to bring this all to an end is for King to publish the Somers's e-mail which gave rise to the latest round of exchanges - then there would be no need for all this nonsense - it would Game Over.[/quote']

 

Are you sure it was an e-mail though, D'Art? I don't remember King saying that specifically. It may have just been a phone call, although it would probably be prudent to record all dealings with the board. Whatever games are being played, it's book holders that will suffer by being forced onto a finance scheme on worse terms if they delay. All before April is even out.

 

The board have pulled a stroke here, no matter what King, or the trust have said, or have planned.

"McCoist added: “The last thing we need is more injury problems."

Aye, how will we cope with the 4 meaningless games we have left to play.

Andy has answered this as well. Forgive my skepticism PapaBear but I can imagine the content of that call on the 11th of January, which if was in 2012, was BEFORE we went into Admin so Alec was hardly getting stuck in when it mattered.

 

AS: "Hullo... HMRC? I'm just checking to make sure that everything is above board in your pursuit of those tax-evading, unionist toerags."

 

HMRC: "Of course. We've got it all covered. They're bang to rights and owe the taxpayer upwards of a billion quid."

 

AS: "Oh well that's good to know. Keep up the good work and just lay off looking at Hearts for a bit eh?"

 

Click.

 

Anything much from Alec after the 16th of Feb up to the summer of 2012, when the shit was really hitting the fan? Or was he as quiet as my memory serves?

 

Compare and contrast with the light touch that has been applied to Hearts and their dealings with HMRC.

.....and what exactly did Sir David of Cameron do to help us? You know, the guy that actually controls HMRC, and was the current Prime Minister of the UK? You're on very dodgy ground trying to make it political, and agenda driven against us. If anything, it was an English led assault on us.

This is nothing more than the board softening us up for the rejection of King's money. When we're 20 odd points behind the ******** in our first season back, maybe then the King doubters will realise the urgency that we needed the major investment.

I don't think they actually want to refuse King's cash, but they are probably worried he will find out where the bodies are buried. They will literally do, and say anything, safe in the knowledge that a certain percentage of fans will renew regardless. If this renewal/review date farce doesn't convince people, then nothing will. They know this review will be all pish and air, and anything short of a commitment to an imminent share issue will only further prove that they don't have the interests of the club at heart, as if we didn't know that already.

Here we go.......

I'd rather have Boyd, than Daly, but saying that, I'd rather get big Kyle back, than persist with that imposter of a footballer. Boyd isn't getting any younger, and we don't create nearly enough sitters for him to be effective. It's all fairly moot, considering there will be no extra money in the transfer/wages budget.

Any cash saved from natural wastage should be spent on a scouting system as a matter of urgency. Buying Ally an updated version of Football Manager just isn't going to cut it in the next two seasons.

Meh, what else can he say? We're shite and we know it?