Hildy

Not interested.

I fully support the concept of fan ownership but I do not support - and will not support - RF.

I support the RST and its BuyRangers scheme.

If the choice was Broxi or Big Lee, I'd settled for Broxi.

likewise Broxi Bear

Probably the favourite . . .

Perhaps this website should set up a new prediction league - who is going to be the manager from game to game until the end of the season.

As previously suggested, the bus driver should be included as one of the runners and riders.

It looks as though nothing much has changed. He's still in the job and serving notice.

If he is to 'remain 100% committed to his normal duties', life under Kenny will continue unless the gardening leave loyal suddenly doubles its membership.

is he still there for 12 months?

" . . .he will remain 100% committed to his normal duties."

The page turns, another chapter begins and the saga continues. Another in-house appointment will go down like a lead balloon.

In answer to trublusince1982 . . .

Ask a credible financial adviser where your money should go - invested with BuyRangers or donated to RF.

Sorry Hildy but your either ignoring what RF is about or deliberately starting an argument , the success of RF is exactly down to the fact that it puts Rangers first and doesnt get involved in the politics , especially when its gets involved in things it cannot influence nor win , in fact since its conception Rf now has more contributors than the RST have members , and the RST have been in existence for over 12 years , RF hasnt been around for 10 months .

 

Let the fans decide which they want , the fact many fans are members of both speaks volumes IMHO

RF claims to put Rangers first and then ducks all the arguments.

It watches on while Rome burns.

It offers little or nothing at a time of crisis.

Disappointing news.

Let's keep strengthening the RST. It is prepared to take the fight to the enemies of the club.

http://www.therst.co.uk/buy-rangers/

Many fans have a problem with RF, an organisation that doesn't have the will or the guts to speak out about what is going on.

This group's silence is a clear sign that it is falling miles short of living up to its name.

Any fan group that is non political at this time is not putting Rangers first.

Some fans believe that the club is being torn asunder and yet RF says nothing while others take up the fight.

So wrong and you can't be that serious Hildy?

You seriously think that Rangers and Ibrox are the same thing, that bricks and mortar equal a community of people?

We love Ibrox, but it wasn't Rangers in 1872 and it isn't Rangers now.

I do agree with D'Art's sentiments, although did think about saying something similar to this earlier this evening because many of the biggest clubs in the world have built new stadiums on their existing land or in many cases even relocated to new purpose-built state of the art stadiums.

 

As sentimental as we are about the current Ibrox stadium, the way I see it is that a new Ibrox stadium shouldn't be completely ruled out, especially when the current stadium needs such vast amounts of work done on it.

I don't think many fans want to leave Ibrox, but that doesn't mean that we should never consider the idea.

When a family moves house it is still the same family. We have to understand that Rangers and Ibrox, closely linked though they are, are not the same thing.

Rangers is a family and it will remain so whether it plays in the north, south, east or west of Glasgow. No-one can be sure what lies around the corner.

I just hope that if a move ever happens, it will be a change that meets with fan approval. I certainly don't want it to happen due to current circumstances.

It concerns me when I hear it being suggested that Rangers should never leave Ibrox. If circumstances occur where a move is perceived to be the right thing to do, we should move, but the decision should be for the fanbase - not an uninvited and unwanted owner.

We have moved before and we may well move again. Rangers is not Ibrox and Ibrox is not Rangers. If Ibrox is a memorial to those who lost their lives, a new ground in another location would be too - just as long as the flit is endorsed by the Rangers support.

Very few of us want to leave the old place, but times change. We want Rangers to be forever, but Ibrox might not be.

I don't see fan ownership working at all but have been with Rangers First for a while and just signed up for the RST. I will probably sign up for Buy Rangers. As Craig says it's most likely futile but at least it's doing something.

 

If we're being honest neither scheme is going anywhere based on exponential growth. They need to marge and have a radical shake up for a start.

I hope you do join BuyRangers, SBS. We can complain long and hard but it doesn't always achieve the desired outcome.

This is a constructive way forward. We need to be proactive in trying to change things for the better. One day we'll get there. Join BuyRangers and be an active part of making it happen.

http://www.therst.co.uk/news/rst-examines-legal-action-over-ibrox/

Well done, RST.

No messing.

Some money came in from a traceable source. Some did not. It was a grand way of passing the hat round. I'll not bother repeating my previous criticism of this scheme but it should be a lesson learned for the support.

Only support ventures that you are satisfied will stand up to proper scrutiny.

Mike Ashley - he's a billionaire, don't you know?

He needs us to get into the CL, don't you know?

Suddenly, and not particularly surprisingly, it has all gone pear-shaped - again.

Of course we can stand and stare, or we can support those fan groups who actually speak out against this board - the RST and the UOF.

We all have a choice to make.

I've got the 1 - 7 wound stripe and strangely the young and middle aged spalpeens make much more of it than their grandfhathers did at the time. It all blew over in a couple of weeks.

 

Those were less frenzied, more sensible days.

No internet, no Facebook, no Twitter, no 24 sports channels and not as many partisan broadcasters and radio stations.

Not only does 7-1 hurt as a scoreline, just four words do the same thing - Hampden in the sun. That's how much of a big deal it was.

A record gubbing nowadays would be mentioned every week for the next 100 years. People say they are sick hearing about the Lisbon Lions and England winning the World Cup.

A seven or eight goal thrashing would take its place alongside them.

Maybe you speak for yourself? First, they need to thrash us to go on about it. Maybe I am wrong (and I have certainly not checked any Yahoo boards), but very few people go on about the 5-1 thrashing of them after our 2-6 reversal, do they? Dunno whether the Yahoos have any anniversary of their victory?

 

Games that stick to mind are usually those where we beat an equally strong Yahoo team (like the 5-1 game where Wilkins scored that screamer), the Lovenkrands game or the title decider at the Scumhut, with McCann scoring and Dallas receiving coin treatment. After that, you more often than not remember games with spectacular goals, like Edu's, Ehiogue's, Spackman's or indeed Mendes'. Or, for all the wrong reason's, the shame game at the Scumhut. Inbetween, there are dozens of games that come and go.

 

There is no doubt that the upcoming tie will be tense and nasty and important to any Old Firm fan. To what extent is up to anyone to decide for him-/herself. I for one - given current form - expect the worst and wait to be surprised. What I also expect is that all of our players give it their all - no matter how much or little that is. If they do that and are defeated, that will be that. I'm under no illusion about the capabilities of our players, whether they wear our jersey or not.Waiting for wonders and then heap scorn upon chaps that are hardly able to deliver them is not for me. The day will come when Rangers players will be of "Rangers players" standard again, folk that step into the tradition of Rangers players of the past. We can only hope that this will happen sooner rather than later.

If you think a seven or eight goal doing can be glossed over, you are not just in another country, you are in a different planet.

A history-making margin of victory for them will be used to tease Rangers fans who have not been born yet - just as 7-1 did - and still does.

Yes. As much as I love us beating them, they and we were never in as bad a shape as we are now.

 

 

You'd be the only one then.

 

I can't imagine any Rangers fan describing a thrashing of Celtic as a hollow victory. Record scores are rubbed in for generations. That's what happens in keen rivalries.

 

We'd best hope that it doesn't happen.

Football usually does not work like that and far better Rangers teams have been trashed by the Yahoos in years gone by. Despite beating them 5-1 in the return game, the 2-6 reversal (under Advocaat?) was hard to stomach. We did, we survived, and we we played on.

 

The point is, this will be the 400th Old Firm game and our team have probably not looked worse in 30odd years. The Hooped Horrors may go mental about it, yet in essence, it would be a very hollow victory, no matter how high or low.

If we were in the top tier and Celtic were struggling, would you be so quick to dismiss a Rangers win as a hollow victory?

If this goes badly for us, there will be no hiding place and no excuses.

I am not switching off if I can watch it I will. United we stand divided we fall. This is just a pinch in the bum If we do lose big, it will just make it sweeter when we take over the top again, Which we will.

If the roof falls in and we lose by a record score, there is no way to play it down or pretend that it doesn't matter.

A royal humping would resonate for decades. If the boot was on the other foot and we hammered them, would we dismiss it due to Celtic having internal problems? I don't think so.

Most of us probably weren't around for that humiliation in the fifties, but even so, when we hear someone say '7-1', we still get a chill down the spine.

For them, this isn't about winning - it's about getting a cricket score. For us, it's about the moment passing without humiliation. A two or three goal defeat we can live with. We won't like it but it will quickly be forgotten.

A thrashing though - that would be the stuff of nightmares.

The problem was this. Tens of thousands of Rangers fans put Murray on a pedestal. They trusted him to do the right thing: always. They never believed that his empire could even stumble, never mind collapse. They genuinely believed that he would only ever sell Rangers to an appropriate partner, never imagining for a second that he could come under bank pressure to move the club on.

David Murray was the new religion.

Whatever his faults, he employed thousands of people and become exceedingly rich - he even achieved a knighthood - and all against a background of physical adversity. He and his family will enjoy the fruits of his labours for some time to come. When we criticise him for his business errors, we should ask ourselves how many people manage to achieve such a magnificent lifestyle. Not many.

His period at Rangers can be justifiably criticised. We were a one-man band and he wanted it that way - but so did we. It all went horribly wrong in the end and we are still suffering, but I suspect that history will eventually be kinder to him than it will ever be to us.