buster.
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So if I can't give you an audited account of where every penny went then everything is fine ? That level of BLIND loyalty is part of the reason why we find ourselves in the position we do today. Elsewhere on other forums I warned fans about CW, CG etc. but few wanted to listen at the time, many asked for foolproof evidence.
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70M came and went I don't see the full benefits of that, do you ? At the end of the day, it's down to individuals, if you want to in part, fund the board & friends,.......................you are welcome to do so.
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They'd better be quick although the amount of time spent on a hollow business review that just happened to come out doesn't bode well. In fact, perhaps it was actually a marketing campaign.
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Examples of which there are many Mike Ashely and pals,............................... eg. Bishop Associates Bonus Culture "Onerous Contracts" The jist of it is that when these types (corporate sharks whose only goal is money) are involved they will find ways to take a disproportionate part of the pie. It's what they are good at and why they do what they do. I remember a certain Charles Green standing up and saying it's all about share value, that it's in their interests that the club does well so as to earn more money. Whilst that is true, it wasn't telling the full story or the real planned narrative. Many of the same backers of Green would appear to be backing A.Easdale.
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Regarding the stand alone issue of ST's, it's very much an individual decision with supporters managing their own finances, it always has been. To help the supporter make his decision in the past, the club have conducted marketing campaigns, both promtional advertising and often a more subtle push using the press to communicate empty or misleading promises. We have reached a stage in our history where the sum total of actions by previous custodians has taken the club to another perlious place and I believe it important that the support think carefully about those in the boardroom, their motives and where they will or would lead us. About how they get to the 'promised land' with a well funded club whilst at the sametime satisfying their lust for money. I believe that if the current incumbents continue to be funded they will continue to run the club in a way in which sees the money 'shared' between their interests and the club. At the moment the supporter has an opportunity to use the only genuine leverage they have to hold the board to account and/or force change. We have reached a place where there is no easy path to take, there will be pain regardless. Personally I don't want to keep bending over and see the club fade further from where it was, continuing in part, to be a cash cow for other's interests. I think that there will be a relatively large group who share your opinion/plan of action. What I would say is don't let "moonbeams", "unsubstantiated corporate speak", an "interesting signing" or "emotive headlines" move you.........look for real and meaningful action regarding how the club is run, how it is to be financed and that the main assets won't be part of that etc. I think it telling that after 120+ days, the board still haven't really given us a meaningful and detailed vision and how they intend to get there.
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Irony at it's finest !
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Does he go by Imran Ahmad or IAMRANGERS in the court rolls ? ps. only a joke !
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I appreciate what you say Frankie but some things need saying or asking. 'Serially bad advisors' of club politics need to have a light shone upon them. As you point out we are at a difficult crossroads. If you got bad advice from X on three different occasions, would you look for or value it on a 4th ? If you gave bad advice on three different occasions, would you be more circumspect to shout from the rooftops on a 4th ?............................I would think so unless there were 'interests' at the root of it.
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Fools are people who fell for and promoted the grand slam of CW, the CG front, Mather Easdale & Stockbridge and now do the same the current board. The main and loud voices on RM fall into this category. Fool me once......................shame on you Fool me twice.....................shame on me Fool me repeatedly..........beyond help
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That's rich coming from someone supporting the board.
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The support have one main meaningful tool to use in an effort to influence the boardroom and it's ST's. Whether you call it a 'vote of confidence' or not is unimportant. The board prefers money to confidence and have proved to manage that money in a way that isn't in the best interests of the football club going forward. They act in their own interests and if it is allowed to continue our club will fade away regards levels of competivity. What we have is groups of supporters who are serial misjudgers of such situations trying to tell us the board should be supported. You couldn't make it up !!!
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Are you saying that we should just continue bending over because it's been going on for years ?
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Personally I don't think "hate" was the right word but the various incarnations of the board in recent years have treated the support with disdain and have abused the fans loyalty, including the current incumbents. As for the vast majority of those who back the current board, their track record in such judgement calls is around about the same percentage as the Graham Wallace bonus. With that in mind, it is difficult to understand why they aren't somewhat more circumspect in their pronouncements these days, but no !!
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As I said, many others have more important matters in the forefront of their mind, than their seat.
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I know a lot of people who have other priorities.
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Do you think it would be a particularly wise move by the club to allocate any old seat despite the fact that your habitual seat is available ?
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The various incarnations of the sp.ivline seem to have left the football department to more or less get on with it. Throwing a disproportionate amount of money at it but not ensuring that it was well spent and taking for granted success in the lower leagues. They've also used it as a way of guarranting large bonus triggers. When you look back at the IPO, not a penny was provisionally allocated towards scouting, youth & development but noises were made about CL music and shares for the Grandkids which were undiluted bull along with so much more of it. If you look at the 'Long Review' it has on the face of it more attention paid to the football department but for me it is still in the main, hogwash. It presents unrealistic ambitions and a lack of detail as to why those ambitions are attainable, both practically and financially. If there has been an oversight regards a players contract, it wouldn't surprise me and would only help confirm an omnishambles that from the boardroom is far more interested in the bottomline and finding creative ways of syphoning money out of the club. I could picture them in the boardroom distributing a bag of Fivers into two piles, "one to us, one to them, one to us, one to them............" and then giving one pile to Ally McCoist and telling him that his remit is to buy a couple of players that will help to flog ST's and whilst you are it give Mr.Tyrell a couple of unattainable names and we'll get them linked in The Sun via Mr. Ibrox Insider or Al Lamont. We are left as the mug punters who have to fund the next stage of the sp.iv circus. And for those who shouting about how this time it'll be different, the vast majority of them have a 100% record in bad judgement calls regarding similar.
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Elfideldo hinted something along that line was about to happen, no idea if this was what he referred to. Looking from a promising young player's perspective looking to break through it's a no-brainer, going to a club like Dundee utd. gives you a better chance of taking a major step along the way.
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That's a relief, as I was getting worried about some new militant German 'organisation' !!
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IMO that's a reasonable and understandable stance. By now we should realise that words aren't worth the paper they may be written on. I think that a lot of people want to see actions instead. Too much of the rhetoric has been misleading or downright untrue and that's before you talk about the pounds that came and went.
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We agree the club is a shambles from top to bottom. The most important part of this omnishambles is in the boardroom, from where the club is run and strategic decisions taken. eg. - If the footballing operation is not performing the board need to make the changes they deem necessary so as to put that right within budgets that they set. If individuals within the football operation (management) aren't and haven't been performing at a suitable level, decisions need to be made. - If the footballing budget can't be supported by income, the board need to increase income and/or reduce expenditure in a timely way (doesn't take 120+ days to discover that). However what we've had at Ibrox is successive incarnations of the boardroom with broadly similar shareholders backing them abdicating responsibility whilst filling their own or friends pockets either directly or indirectly.
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Couple of things with that report. The phrase "he is believed" = Mibbees aye, mibbees naw, mibbees not as much as we are pushing Does the reporter know exactly what Faure and Peralta earn and if he does, why not specify ? Spin, moonbeams and soundbites at ST renewal time tend to be like flowers in springtime although there would seem to be a solid base to this particular story. It must be said that with the current board at Ibrox it would seem as we live in a perma-Spring.
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I agree but I think the history books on the club as a whole will show an omnishambles at all levels, with other issues putting the on-field into the shade.
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They come,........ They abuse,......... They go......... It was ironic that I (Time4_Change) joined same day as Traditionalist and I guess we were always on course for opposite sides of the debate, LOL. I implored him to debate points as it is through reasonable dialogue backed up where possible that arguments can be found wanting or to be solid. I'm an older Bear whose first memories are of the 72/73 season and have at times been a poster on other sites, mostly FF.
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Neither Ally or Lennon are what I'd call good managers. You put either in a provincial club with a limited budget and they'd struggle. Looking forward to seeing Lennon metaphorically 'crash and burn' when he goes South. As for Ally, he won't get another management job at any decent level, this in itself says everything. The board in keeping Ally in charge aren't doing their job.
