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6 minutes ago, CammyF said:
Off course it's understandable that the board were unhappy, but Club1872 were within their rights to ask the questions (we're still facing legal action on this).
It just seems (from a distance) that the current board want to control all groups surrounding the club and what little information manages to leak out into the public domain.
Again, it goes back to communication, if the club were more open and on front foot, they would have a better "arguement" than they do now in my opinion.
It reminds we of when David Murray tried to bring the fanzines "in-house" as he wanted control of what was published (oh and the sold more copies than the match day programmes).
Yeah I think some humility and bridge building is required on both sides so it was good to see Park address it unprompted. Let’s see what transpires because I see an opportunity for c1872 to begin the healing process with the wider support by getting behind the stadium revamp and potentially using their project resource and cash raising potential.
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2 minutes ago, gaspard said:
Iirc, and I may be wrong, but didn't the approach to castore not relate to the elite/Hummel jv rather than specifically the castore deal? In so much as castore were perhaps party to the status of this contract which was, as far as elite were concerned still valid.
You may well be right on that front. Either way, I can see why the club were unhappy with the approach. I can also understand why C1872 were interested in this area, not least because of the issues we continue to have legally, but there is a manner in which such matters need to be conducted. Discretion, integrity and gravitas all needed... I just don't see that within the c1872 and they seem more interested in furthering DK's agenda. In an ideal world c1872 could have been a party to the planning around the stadium revamp and disabled facilities. I can't think of a better use of c1872 project funds than to be supporting the club on this... yet they're miles away as it stands.
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1 hour ago, stewarty said:
That does sound odd. Though I seem to recall this all stemmed from C1872 approaching Castore and trying to find out or check sensitive information behind the club's back, or something along those lines. That would annoy me much as it seems to have done for the club and Castore.
I checked and it all stemmed from the Rev McQuarrie's revelation when he was expelled from the C1872 Board in relation to an email sent to the Board of Castore asking for details of the contract with Rangers. The email was allegedly sent by Laura Fawkes and Euan Mcfarlane behind the back of McQuarrie and Alan Fraser who were also on the C1872 board. The club took this as a breach of confidence, which seems a perfectly reasonable stance to take. Whilst the current office bearers at C1872 continue to be involved, or are unwilling to make amends in relation to this, I'm not sure whether this is actually going to be resolved any time soon.
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4 minutes ago, CammyF said:
I believe the issue Club1872 have (and always have had) with the NDA is that it stops them communicating information gained from 3rd parties with their members.
If I'm honest, I'd have an issue with this if I was Club1872 and do have as a fan and investor.
That does sound odd. Though I seem to recall this all stemmed from C1872 approaching Castore and trying to find out or check sensitive information behind the club's back, or something along those lines. That would annoy me much as it seems to have done for the club and Castore.
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Much as I'm frustrated at the lack of questions on some areas (legal issues, etc), I think the Board played a blinder yesterday. They did a good job at outlining the overall progress made in the last 5 years in terms of investments and decisions. They stuck to their promise on improving disabled facilities and made a strong case for trying to calm some of the concerns over our financials that we have (where has the money gone, etc). For me its now down to Bennett et all following through on their promises of improved communication, though the AGM was a start. Whilst appreciating they have to be conscious of the market rules and price sensitive information, I still believe they can and should do more to explain some of the challenges and priorities they are trying to balance. I recall stating in the summer several times that the support is hyper sensitive to financial matters, but in setting out where we are and where money is being spent on a more regular basis, we could have cut down that noise considerably. Park also seemed to offer an olive branch to C1872 on engagement, albeit it seemed to me that they may now get into a public war of words around the NDA issue, though I hope they don't.
C8172 to me seem short-sighted on this as they surely have to realise that being a shareholder can gain considerable access but they have to understand where the line is in terms of price-sensitivity and commercially sensitive information. They could easily navigate an NDA and publish minutes via an agreed protocol with the club, should they so choose. This does not need to compromise their role in representing member interests - it would take someone with gravitas and integrity to perform such a role, but perhaps thats the real issue with C1872.
Further, whether it was designed to be this way I don't know, but in revealing the detailed plans to revamp the stadium, and the fact that increasing the capacity will require additional funding, they've outlined a strong case for the share issue resolutions which I think the majority of supporters and shareholders will be in favour of (and indeed are based on the voting results). In turn this has pulled the rug from under King and C1872 who I think now look rather silly. Imagine going into your first meeting with the club as a C1872 rep and trying to reset relations... and thats the position you have to defend. Bonkers.
Some of the questions left a lot to be desired but you're always going to get that at AGMs. Even at my own company's AGM we prep for all sorts of off-the-wall questions that may arise so that the Board are ready to answer, but we regularly get something utterly innocuous or mad being asked that we couldn't possibly have predicted. Thats the chance you take and by extending the time available I think they showed a willingness to engage.
A platform to build on, strong financials, improving (but plenty to work on) communication and cleverly flanking C8172... pretty sure the Board will have enjoyed yesterday all things considered.
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1 hour ago, the gunslinger said:
Seems Craig is leaving
Yeah I just read the email... he's got a life changing opportunity. Hope it works well for him, and a potential chance for C1872 to change direction but I wont hold my breath.
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Netherlands - USA 1-0
Argentina - Australia 2-0
France - Poland 3-1
England - Senegal 1-0
Japan - Croatia 1-1 (joker)Brazil - South Korea 2-0
Morocco - Spain 0-3
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1 hour ago, Bluedell said:
I read that Houston receives a salary from C1872. He was previously employed by the club, I believe, presumably under King's watch, so perhaps he's bitter about losing his job?
Not 100% sure about my facts on this, but it's just what I've read online.
It does appear that C1872 value their relationship with King higher than their relationship with the club.
You are correct. C1872 made an announcement on it and yes he did work at the Club at King's behest alongside another person who is in the shadows at C1872 - Chris Graham
I've no idea of the jobs they do, in all honesty. And i've no axe to grind against them personally, but this whole thing has lost any credibility.
I haven't wanted to say this and have held out as long as I could, but I think C1872 needs to die. No idea what that would mean for all the shares they are responsible for, but they only have themselves to blame.
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27 minutes ago, Rousseau said:
The article above that discussed MB's tactics at QPR stated that he likes a 4-3-1-2.
I can see this working well for us.
It could, perhaps, get the best out of Morelos and Colak, Sakala, Hagi, Kamara, Tillman, Tavernier and Yilmaz.
It could even be beneficial for Kent: let him play as the #10 - which he has done before under SG - where he can pick the ball up and just run, left or right, then pass it out wide to the WBs or feed it into the forwards, without getting boxed-in against the touchline. (He can't cross, anyway... !)
Is this you slowly coming round to the new Manager then?
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Just watched and that was a bizarre q&a in my view.
King queries where all the money has gone yet clearly has access to the annual report the same as the rest of us.
he complains the board are going in a different direction by not investing in the way he would, yet seems to have completely forgotten that one of the things this board has done is pay back the loans from king.
we heard a question from Craig Houston too, though no mention was made of his job with c1872, so presumably he was there in a personal capacity. His questions focused on the board and whether others still there might share some of his views. DK responded but Houston clearly holds contempt for the board, something he is entitled to of course, but how on earth that squares with his role at c1872 and presumably trying to work productively with the club?
There were other things that occurred but I just had to get that off my chest immediately. My last remaining token contributions and therefore membership of c1872 is likely now to be cancelled.
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Ifs, buts and maybes, but say had we beaten Celtic in February and gone on to win the league, I don't think it would have been us that pulled out of the Sydney Cup.
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Have edited my selections to add my joker. @Rousseau
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Wales 1-3 England
Iran 1-1 USA
Ecuador 2-1 Senegal
Netherlands 2-0 Qatar
Australia 0-3 Denmark
Tunisia 0-4 France ** JOKER **
Poland 1-1 Argentina
Saudi Arabia 0-0 Mexico
Croatia 3-2 Belgium
Canada 0-2 Morocco
Japan 0-3 Spain
Costa Rica 0-2 Germany
Ghana 1-1 Uruguay
Korea Republic 1-2 Portugal
Serbia 1-1 Switzerland
Cameroon 0-2 Brazil
** Forgot to add my joker prior to the first day of R3 games so have chosen one from Day 2
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As has been said by others, there are no guarantees so Beale will get my full support until he no longer deserves it. Such is the way with football.
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1 hour ago, compo said:
Well I believe this is what’s known as Black Friday we may pick up a bargain 😹
And its then Cyber Monday after the weekend. Careful with that one, could easily do yourself a mischief at your age 🤣
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Back top of the real competition - the correct result league! 😎
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6 minutes ago, Rousseau said:
No movement yet?
The longer this takes the less time the new man has to work with the team during this most opportune break.
The players are on holiday though, but agree the sooner the better.
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Wales 2-1 Iran
Qatar 0-0 Senegal
Netherlands 2-1 Ecuador
England 4-1 USA
Tunisia 1-1 Australia
Poland 2-1 Saudi Arabia
France 3-1 Denmark
Argentina 2-1 Mexico (Joker)
Japan 2-0 Costa Rica
Belgium 1-0 Morocco
Croatia 3-0Canada
Spain 2-0 Germany
Cameroon 2-2 Serbia
Korea Republic 3-2 Ghana
Brazil 4-0 Switzerland
Portugal 2-2 Uruguay
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WTF????
Is this something new or has his treatment just not worked as hoped?
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My initial reaction to the headlines from this meeting were that he made some valid points that broadly reflect what some supporters also think. But that summary just adds more fuel to the view that he’s just looking for ways to cash out - this Fox woman for one.
And if he had a legal strategy that would save the club around £5m in terms of the Sports Direct settlement, why on earth was he not sharing that with the club and using his shareholding to make sure he was heard? What did he uniquely know that our lawyers didn’t?
Feels like he enjoys the attention a wee bit too much.
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FFS - I'm winning the correct result count but haven't stuck a single bet on so far.
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Just now, Bill said:
Why don't they follow Rugby and control in-play time properly by stopping the clock when necessary. That way everyone knows how much time is remaining. Playing time should never be unknown and at the ref's discretion.
Agreed. And while we’re at it, let’s get the ref mic open to the crowd/TV so we can hear exactly what is being said to and by them. Would cut out a lot of the aggro and help the viewing experience.
Would also shine a light directly on the refs who want to make it about them.
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Anyone Attending the Club AGM?
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I think we are in danger of over-egging the current situation. Things can change quickly and we need steady heads, not reactionary short-termism.
The backdrop is poor communication, but that can be fixed.
Results need to improve but they recognised it wasn't working with Gio and made the change.
Thank god we have a game to watch tomorrow.