CammyF

Think my 1st European game was a 2-1 win over Porto 1983/84 season. The next season saw us play Bohemians (lucky to beat them to be honest) then a 3-1 home win against Inter Milan who had Liam Brady and Karl Heinz Rummenigge amongst others. We lost 3-0 in the away leg with Ally McCoist missed an absolute sitter. Jock Wallace played outgoing captain and centre half John McClelland as centre forward.

But so were the likes of Dortmud and the likes and we still managed to beat them and get to EL Final.

When Lawrence was subbed at halftime, why was Dowell brought on? Thought the obvious move was to put Bajrami in his favoured 10 position and put McCausland out wide. We pad over £4M for a number 10 and he's never played there for us.

And has been for a while. In retrospect, it makes Gerrard winning the league and Gio getting us to EL Final even more remarkable.

Starting to look that way. Can't believe it's come to the stage we're worried ahead of a home game against St Johnstone. Hope Lawrence injury isn't bad as between him and Dessers, only players we have who look like scoring goals.

If they team were flying and playing well, those other "reasons" wouldn't come into play. Fans are now not going to games (as last night showed), that is never a good sign and will continue if rests and performances don't improve.

We played Dortmud twice (once away and once at home) and never lost. In fact, we should have won both games (had a goal wrongly chopped off). We can still make the business end, but at the moment we look like losing heavily to any half decent team (Man U and Spurs will absolutely leather us). 9 points may not be sufficient to take us through, it may need 10 or a decent goal difference. Getting to EL Final was an absolutely fantastic achievement, and is somehow underplayed. We were wonderful that season and beat teams that we had no right beating. This squad is rank rotten and results this season show that. Thumped at Parkhead and embarrassed in our own patch by Lyon. Happy for you and others to continue to try and polish this turd of a squad, results will get worse before they get better.

Large gaps in crowd last night and likely to be the same on Sunday, are the fans starting to vote with their feet? £30 for a concession ticket for last night for the wee man, at least Dick Turpin wore a mask. Sunday will be interesting - 8PM kick-off, no subway, live on TV, work on motorways to and from Ibrox. Will the "real" attendance be over 25,000? Cant blame the Hampden factor now......

Bajrami, Butland and Lawrence (even though he only played 45mins) only 3 players who got passmarks. Gone for Lawrence as only player who looked likely to score and was missed in 2nd half.

But Dortmund want an outlier, we got to the EL Final beating teams with bigger budgets and better players. Since Gerrard took over we've consistently gotten to the business end of the EL, so your argument is flawed, we go to quarter finals in Gerrards first season (IIRC). However this is now the weakest squad since Pedro's and unless a miracle happens the squad will get worse before it gets better as we don't have the money to buy better players (as @RANGERRAB said it'll be more "experiments", loans and misfits). As for what Butland said, listen to his interview - says we have to alter our approach, something the manager seems loathed to do.

Ant I'll only get worse.

What like Dortmund? We've matched and beaten teams of Lyons quality and financial clout, our current squad is the worst its been since Pedro. Or are we happy our level struggling to win the SPL? Butland speaking out against the manager seems like the beginning of the end.

We said the same when we were embarrassed in the Champioms League. This (EL) is meant to be our level and we've excelled recently, bow it looks we are also out our depth at this level.

On reflection, are there any players in our team who are an upgrade on those they replaced? We have regressed drastically over the last couple of seasons and the cost cutting is certainly impacting the quality of our players.

If we need any further evidence of just how far off we are to being even a decent team, tonight was it. Woefully short in all departments including the very basics. Lyon are a very good team and looked on a different planet from us. For me Lawrence the only player in blue who looked like he should be on the same pitch as Lyon - the rest, several levels below.