CammyF

An all to familiar story.....

There is as you said toy didn't say it, then it's not what you meant and now you did say it - so do we need European success to move forward as a club? And if so what level of success is required. Not difficult questions to answer

I didn't write the OP so why ask me Why not move on from one word in the title and let us know your thoughts on the content. If you disagree with any of it, write a response.

So the UEFA want Athletic in the EL Final conspiracy theories being ripped apart tonight.

Who said we were on a throne? We're habitually 2nd best in a 2 horse race, need loans to see us to the end of the season and continue to make horrific decisions both football and financial. Why is that? It's NOTHING to be with thrones.

So did you say it and what did you mean by it?

Really? That's what you've taken from the article and commentaries? What's your take on where we find ourselves?

I don't think anyone is saying that. However, I hope I'm not alone in believing that's the European level we should be at every season (as a minimum). The "debate" is whether the money we've made from these runs in Europe (and player sales on the back of those runs) has ultimately helped drive us forward.

So you never said this Success it has been in one area where we need it before going any further

So you never said this Success it has been in one area where we need it before going any further

I have, but you refuse to answer as per usual. This board have taken us further from our objectives with every passing season, so they are a complete and utter failure. They have taken us to a state where we can't operate without loans despite our income rising to £95M. So it that respect they are a complete and utterly failure. The board themselves agree that without new investors the club won't move forward. I think they are a complete failure you don't, but offer no defence of evidence that they have not been a complete failure. The one "success" you claim hasn't helped us move forward, so therefore it's part of the overall failure.

So for clarity, we don't need success in Europe to move forward? It's just you made it sound soooooooo (sorry my needle was trapped in the groove, a wee dunt got it free) important

You were the one who claimed we can't move forward unless we are successful in Europe. I'll rephrase the quesrion ; In your opinion what parameters do we need to reach or breach in Europe to allow us to move forward?

So why say it if it isn't important? You specifically said we must have European "success" before we can move forward. That's a significant claim, yet now its not important? So how many years of EL success would it take for us to move forward? 1, 2, 5, 10?

It could be argued that despite our EL "success" that we're further away from reaching our long-term objectives than we were when Pedro was manager. But, that's not "absolute" failure.

I'll ask again, how many more seasons of European "success" is required for us to go any "further" ? success it has been in one area where we need it before going any further

Wait, you said and I quote success it has been in one area where we need it before going any further So how many more years success in Europe do we need before we go any further What areas? All the areas we currently fail in?

Apparently not.

Maybe time to review what I posted about him......

So 5 seasons of European "success' has yielded 1 season of domestic success. How many more seasons of European "success" do we need before it transmits into continued domestic success?

Oh, I was gonna guess Gonzo.

But that's not the board's fault, it's our fault for being unrealistic and impatient don't you know. The only constant positive in the whole sorry mess is us, the fans. We buy season tickets in record amounts, we've pushed the commercial part of the business to the forefront, we pay "top end" priced for European packages, we follow the team all over Europe no matter how poorly they perform. Your post and the OP are 100% correct and I really fail to see how any fan can think otherwise.

They are, and in reality, that in itself may be an issue (thinking as fans rather than business men). They are undoubtedly successful business men in their own right/fields but have shown that they are incapable of running a football club. Any doubt in that assertion is easily proven by looking at the accounts and our trophy count under their control. If that isn't sufficient evidence, then look at some of their decisions that have cost the club financially both football and business wise. Their record speaks for itself and its manifested into this utter horrific season where we've come to a point where even the current board admit that without fresh investment we will not move forward.

Easy way to find out. Just ask @L72 if he thinks double-demin is acceptable.

Yeah, it's almost there. Had heard the official announcement was going to be day before Cup Final but it may be sooner.