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Shankland, Armstrong and Barron and we'll be set to conquer all. 

5 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

He had spent about 10 million 3 years in a row, if that's not enough to beat Malmo then games a bogey.

He had to, look at the squad he inherited. 

Walter Smith had more to spend and lost to "Malmos" in Europe regularly,  that make him a bad manager? 

6 minutes ago, Scott7 said:

His team had the lead in the second leg at home against ten men. His team blew it.

 

He had one exceptional season when celtic were utter dross managed by Lennon. 

Not arguing those points - but he's the best manager we've had since coming back to the top division. 

9 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

If Gerrard was such a good manager how come he never managed to win a domestic cup? He also made a pigs ear of it v Malmo in what would have been a massive boost getting to the CL for the club. I think there is a lot of revisionism around him. He had a good record against Celtic yes, but only really managed to beat them over the course of the season once. 

 

I think Gerrard is part of the reason why we are where we are, we should have sold off some of his team when we got bids in and not hold on to players for far too long.

Where did I say he was such a good manager? 

He inherited an absolute shitshow, got us winning in Europe and got us beating Celtic regularly. He then won the league without losing a game.

Maybe if the board had backed him after 55 we might have defeated Malmo, but we'll never know. When Gerrard left we were top of the league.

As for selling off players (or not) how's that Gerrards fault? 

Yes he should have won more  trophies, but I'd say he's the best manager we've had since returning to the top flight. 

5 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

He did but he has the same amount of winners medals as big Phil.

 

I dont care if you get them beating celtic loads or not.

 

Just. Win. Hings.

I'd take a league over a league Cup every day of the week. 

And hate to break this to you, but if we are to "win hings", we're going to have to beat Celtic more often than not. 

4 minutes ago, Whosthedado said:

We fear playing them now and I don't just mean the team. We all had zero faith today and the start we nearly made inside the first minute sums up this team

Was the same before Gerrard took over, and he quickly changed that feeling. He realised that controlling the midfield was key to winning these games. 

In his first victory in December 2018, we had a midfield of McCorrie, Jack and Arfiled. Not the.most skillful 3, but all could battle.

He managed to install a mentally in the players which served them well and that then spread to the supporters. 

Let's not forget his last OF win was just before he left for Villa, he managed a 1-0 win with a covid ravaged team and masterminded the victory from his sick-bed.

We need a manager who can recreate this, and I have my doubts the PC is that man - 1 point out of 3 games backs that up. 

Since returning to the top flight we have won only 10 OF games and 8 of those were under SGs tenure. The other 2 victories were a Scottish Cup semi-final win in extra-time and a 3-0 win last season. 

Say what you want about SG, we quickly worked out how to defeat them on a regular basis. In fact, he had them fearing playing us. 

1 minute ago, compo said:

 at present the club is an embarrassment.

That's it in a nutshell. So far behind them in all departments on and off the field. 

34 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

That's a lot of assumptions about recruitment rather than being critical of Clement per se. 

That's what I said, he can ultimately fail due to things outwith his control. 

12 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

I'm struggling to see how you can be pessimistic about Clement yet you wanted to stick with Beale. 

 

C o n t r a r i a n.

See, that's you putting words in my mouth. There are varying reasons why I can't see Clement turning it around and not all his doing.

Firstly budget. Outwith selling Butland we've probably spent the majority of our summer transfer budget on Diamonde. That means no Cortes or Sima (unless we can get them back on loan). 

Secondly, pressure to sell Tav and Dessers, meaning we'll lose 40 goals and around 15 assists from a team struggling to score goals if they leave. 

Thirdly, circa 9 players out of contract at the end of the season frees up wages but also leaves us thin on the ground. 

The unrealistic expectations from fans that anyone we do sign will automatically be better than those we get rid off.

I'm contrarian? Your the one defending Clement, saying your more confident of him taking us forward but admitt if we start the season badly, you'll want rid of him 😀😀😀😀

1 minute ago, PoohBear said:

Beale made an arse of the transfer window and we've paid for that with the season.

He made an arse of some but Butland and Sterling have been immense this season, Sima was on fire before being injured, Dessers has scored 21 goals. All Beale signings. I think his net spend was circa £6M. 

4 minutes ago, PoohBear said:

The club hasn't regressed with Clement. I'm scratching my head with some selections but at the same time his hands have been tightly bound. We need a serious clear out, but Clement deserves to oversee it. 

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see him turning us around. Most of us ignored the alarm bells under MB and Gio but Clement has shown the same "traits".

2 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

Who has the better PPG?

Clement - but it doesn't show he is performing miracles. His overall PPG is slightly above MBs. Was MB performing miracles last season? 

The manager deserves time, but like MB and Gio there are worrying trends developing. His reluctance to change his style (tactics), his reluctance to select a consistent starting 11. 

Lose the SCF and fall behind early next season and the writing will be on the wall.

12 minutes ago, Sutton_blows_goats said:

Think we all knew when we seen Lundstram and Barisic in the lineup the manager had made a boo boo. Sadly he can’t seem to see it. 
 

 

I don't think Barasic done much wrong to be fair, he also had an assist with our goal. However, glad to be seeing the back of him at the end of the season.Lundstram was stupid and he had struggled in the game .

However, that's two consecutive games where the manager has chosen a very debatable starting 11 and in both games we've found ourselves 2 goals behind. 

His recent team selections and "style" of play have left some fans wondering at what PCs philosophy is. No questioning he has been hindered by injuries, but we have suffered a huge slump over the last couple of months. 

5 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

OK (league games, pre-split):

 

	Matches	W	D	L	Goals	Points	PPG
Ange (overall)	66	56	6	4	181:44	174	2.64
PC	25	19	3	3	59:18	60	2.40
Brenda (this season)	33	24	6	3	80:26	78	2.36
MB (Overall)	25	19	1	5	57:25	58	2.32
MB (this season)	7	4	0	3	10:5	12	1.71

So Beale and PC (overall) are much of a muchness.  2.32 v 2.4 . 

11 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

It includes all games: 29 wins, 6 draws. 

 

I've not got the stamina to take just the league games - they are even split into pre- and post-split. 

So cups and Europe - so like I said, you're not comparing apples with apples. 

12 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

 

The stats are there for you to see.

 

Here (including their performance, as I can't bring myself to watch the game): 

 

 

	Matches	W	D	L	Goals	Points	PPG
Clement	39	29	6	4	87:29	93	2.38
Ange	113	83	12	18	285:48	261	2.31
Beale (overall)	43	31	4	8	92:44	97	2.26
Lennon (overall)	335	237	43	55	759:42	754	2.25
Brenda (overall)	215	149	32	34	490:09	479	2.23
Brenda (this season)	46	31	7	8	110:53	100	2.17
Lennon (during 55)	39	23	6	10	82:45	75	1.92
Beale (this season)	14	8	2	4	23:15	26	1.86

 

Who has the highest points-per-game (PPG)?

 

 

Wait, how has Clement won 93 points when we only have 81? 

7 minutes ago, WorthingBear91 said:

Switched on the last 15 as I have been busy I thought with 10 men we were decent what happened in the previous 75 ? Were we to passive again from the off ?

It's another moral victory - keeping it to 2-1, down to 10 at half-time, with only 30% possession and almost 20 fewer shots 😒

Nevermind, I'm sure PC will hatch a plan for us to win the Scottish Cup 

1 minute ago, Rousseau said:

 

The stats are there for you to see.

 

Here (including their performance, as I can't bring myself to watch the game): 

 

 

	Matches	W	D	L	Goals	Points	PPG
Clement	39	29	6	4	87:29	93	2.38
Ange	113	83	12	18	285:48	261	2.31
Beale (overall)	43	31	4	8	92:44	97	2.26
Lennon (overall)	335	237	43	55	759:42	754	2.25
Brenda (overall)	215	149	32	34	490:09	479	2.23
Brenda (this season)	46	31	7	8	110:53	100	2.17
Lennon (during 55)	39	23	6	10	82:45	75	1.92
Beale (this season)	14	8	2	4	23:15	26	1.86

 

Who has the highest points-per-game (PPG)?

 

 

But you are both comparing apples with apples - I'm out anyway. 

Off for a walk to see if I can convince myself we're heading in the right direction (which we ain't).

Going to be some atmosphere at Ibrox on Tuesday.  Cannae wait. 

Not really relevant to today's game, but anyone got the stats on red cards and pens (for and against) in OF games at Parkhead over the last two decades? 

3 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

I disagree. They had a worse manager. 

Haha - show me their combined managerial stats? 

Just now, Rousseau said:

Not less at all. Fewer.  

 

I didn't refute this point, though. 

 

I am refuting your suggestion that it somehow proves that PC is doing the same as MB, which is patently untrue, as shown above by the stats. We will achieve fewer points this season mainly because of MB's poor start to the season. 

Really? It'll be down to a combination of Beales poor start and Clements poor finish to the season. 

Unless Scott Wright turns this game on its head....

Just now, Rousseau said:

As it was under Gerrard. 

 

We did aight.  

We had a better team than them when we won 55, played better football than them and went the entire league season undefeated. 

Wasn't down to bottle, it was down to players being in top form.

2 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

Steady.

 

 

	Matches	W	D	L	Goals	Points	PPG
PC	39	29	6	4	87:29	93	2.38
MB (overall)	43	31	4	8	92:44	97	2.26
MB (this season)	14	8	2	4	23:15	26	1.86

 

MB wasn't sacked because of his overall record - his record last season was good, which is why many, including myself, were quite optimistic coming into this season. He was sacked because of his record this season, which was appalling. 

 

For PC to take us from 1.86 points-per-game to 2.38 ppg is very good. 

 

(And this excludes the style of football.)

So will we end up with more or less points this season? Simple question? 

As for style of play, I'm struggling to see any "style" at all since we exited Europe and lost to Motherwell