The Stroller

He has also shit stirred for 10 years + & spread lies about Murray for most of them. I was at a shareholders meeting where he pretty much said the car park & pools office didn't belong to the club any more.

All this because I called him a lizard FFS

What do you think about Jack Irvine, the guy who sent the e-mail featured in the OP ?

I have said on 2 occasions he is a rat. Make that 3 now

It's you who can't handle the debate. Go away or you'll get barred LOL

Without his bank records there is no absolute proof but I know what I know.

Ps The reason you have not been invited to the Directors box is because you are not a Director. Maybe if you rabble roused a bit more you will get an invite like your mate MD has

He also realised very soon after what bunch of carpet-bagging shysters had acquired the club and helped mobilise supporters to remove them.

My only interactions have been over the various incarnations of the FF forums. I've never met the bloke, I've never cared for his politics (I was always in the FF handwringing faction) and even if I did I'd find it hard to be too close to a man who wears the ties he does. But the bogeyman status he, and Chris Graham, acquired on RM and elsewhere became pretty preposterous. He's a chubby bald bloke who supports the Rangers and hosts a forum. He really isn't that important.

I agree, as I said I do not see him as a celebrity supporter or a super fan like some do. He was played like a violin by both Whyte & Green who inflated his ego by making him feel he was important, as he is in his own eyes. I know things that I'm not interested in airing but it is interesting to see the reactions oh leave him alone, move on, stop criticising him, go away somewhere else bla bla bla.

Ok lads I will be gentle with you, but if you are going to contradict me I will answer back & with points that back up my view, it's called debate or does the forum not like that if you are not singing the popular hymns?

What proof do you have of him profiting from our misfortune? None.

 

Those critical of the previous regime helped get rid of a previous regime currently part of a fraud investigation. Perhaps if more people were critical of Murray we wouldn't have even seen Green or Whyte.

 

Like I say, be sensible or take your nonsense elsewhere. It's not difficult.

He was critical of Murray & was delighted to usher in the regime that is steeped in fraud & backed the both of them.Perhaps if less were critical he might still have been here. If you cant handle the debate say so & I'll leave you alone

I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion - I merely asked you to keep your criticism constructive and, preferably, based on facts.

 

You've no proof he's made any money and I find such allegations pointless. I've also disagreed with MD plenty times over the years but I'd be sensible enough to acknowledge he's a clever guy who has helped deliver the club to a better place for now. We won't ever be bosom buddies but I'd rather concentrate on the people who really matter rather than one person.

How do you know what proof I have? I never went on a rant about him or anything I just called him a lizard. Anything after that was replying to you bringing him up. Delivered us to a better place? WTF planet is that on, I must have missed that one. Clever at what? He was the biggest Murray hater in Ibrox, backed Whyte & Green as if they were King Billy riding to our rescue. Better place? Come up for air.

Ridding our club of the influence of shit peddlers is constructive, Fact.

If you read my post I copied in someone else commenting on the content of the email, which is what I did also. I believe I called Irvine a rat, not good enough?

I then only replied to someone taking issue with me on my comment. Fair game, I'm not going to get all hormonal if someone says something I don't agree with, but I will try to back up what I say, that's all

I agree but I'm entitled to my opinion about him & if you don't think he has made a right good few quid outwith advertising revenue then fine, bury your head in the sand. He has been wrong on most of the shit he has peddled over the years & has never spoke for me or imo a majority of the fans. I don't see him as a club celebrity, or anything, in fact I think he is an agitator.

Problem with opinions is they are not always the same as your own, that's what debate is all about. I never said anything that bad, I just made it clear I have no regard for him at all

??? How's this:

While undoubtedly, we have been subject to gross mismanagement by individuals who have displayed a lack of care & duty towards our club & have put themselves & their own interests at the forefront of their decisions & dealings, I feel Mr McColl (nice guy as he is & a blue nose) has been waiting in the wings for many years normally talking a good game but not usually doing very much while criticising others. Mr Dingwall on the other hand has been in my opinion a rabble rouser who has been shit stirring for some considerable time & falls into the category of those who have been interested only in their own agenda & has profited from our misfortune.

Any better?

Let's avoid the personal crap please.

 

This forum won't stand for it.

It was a comment on the email content, why post it if you can't agree/disagree with subject matter?

MW's just over 6 months into a 3 year (??) contract. He has done very well so far, but he hasn't achieved the main goals that have been set ie. win promotion. No new contract should be even though about until he at least achieves that main goal.

I suggest you consider point 4.

4. Nothing frantic or anxious about my post, simply a common sense suggestion imo. Maybe you should go & take a business class or something to understand the concept of investing for a return & rewarding good work from employees. If not, you could always join Rab

If you don't think he will be snapped up soon regardless of whether we win the league or not, there is no hope. What he has done with the utter shambles he inherited is astounding

1. MW already has a contract

 

2. New contract = Increase Outgoings = Less player budget

 

3. Length of contract has never prevented a manager from leaving if there was a will

 

4. Go and join Rab in the 'Calm the Feck Doon Room' for 15 minutes

 

1. Improve it & incentivise him to stay longer

2. The money we have saved from paying the Malingerer (£14k a week) could have been given to someone who can actually manage

3. There would be no chance of him seeing it out but we would at least get decent compo when he goes. On current contract he will leave for buttons or nothing

4. Nothing frantic or anxious about my post, simply a common sense suggestion imo. Maybe you should go & take a business class or something to understand the concept of investing for a return & rewarding good work from employees. If not, you could always join Rab

I think MW is a little frustrated at the absence of a hands on "boss" he can work with on a daily basis. Have no inside on that but seems apparent. Maybe King could double his appearances & come over 10 times a year or appoint someone to run the place day to day

I'll get slaughtered for saying this but I wouldn't 100 percent disagree with that assertion of McColl in that email. It was unbelievable how much of our supporters were expecting him to be our saviour four years ago.

Agree that almost anything is better than the rats who were on the ship but McColl has been a voyeur for years & Dingwall is a lizard imo.

No worries bud, just making sure you are aware of the forum rules. We like to have good, positive contributors and you have proven that already - just trying to keep you away from the "ban hammer"

It would be fair to say I have been Scotland Yard from better establishments than this for my big gub

Opinions are like r soles everybody's got wan. What I will say is that Barry Ferguson couldn't even imagine some of the things Adam can do with a ball. Barry F is better than him at holding on to the ball & not doing much with it. I'll give you that.

Ps the final you are talking about, don't forget who our top scorer in the CL group that year was. Just another wee fact to keep you going. I could go on about McCoist for years & still not get it off my chest, so I wont, all I will say is I will not avoid blaming him for stuff people apportion to others & I will make my peace with him when he has returned the shares he got for endorsing Green & the money he took off us for being a totally shite manager while snipping his chrysanthemums

I know you are new here - but keep it civil. One of our few rules which everyone adheres to.

No malice intended just thought it was a funny way of saying the guy was talking a LOT of shite. Apologies to all if deemed over the top. As far as McCoist is concerned, believe me, I am biting my lip as hard as I can

Utter nonsense that at Blackburn Rovers they say "Barry who". You talk about facts but that "fact" is nonsense.

How do you know, are you from Blackburn or summit?

While we are on the subject of facts here'e another one for you to get a grip of. Adam was voted into the team of the year in consecutive seasons in the Championship & EPL in centre mid

Apparently it was a very short segment just saying the board had a good relationship with the manager and he was going nowhere...

If there was one lick of common sense at the club, we would be offering Warburton a new 5 year deal now, recognise his brilliance & hope we can keep him for at least another 2-3 years

Now that McCormack may well be about to take the combined transfer fees to over £40m for him & Adam, can we put the matter to rest by agreeing we never got the best out of both of the boys potentials & probably Provan was right, or is that too controversial?

Agree there are loads of positives at the club style being one of the biggest. Don't agree we can afford failures at any price taking in the big picture.

 

Loving the new style of play at the club and the areas we have grown in. That doesn't mean we can let the standard of our aims diminish in the pursuit of style. As we have agreed before I think we disagree on the level or standard in squad being sufficient or on target. Personally think we are a mile off where we need to be to secure the clubs aims.

FFS we finished 3rd in the league last season & got pumped 6-1 in a play off by the worst team in the SPL a few months ago (& we all know whos fault that was) The progress we are making is miraculous almost. I think it may be down to his magic hat :-)

But the dark side will have been tuning in to watch!,hmm! maybe after they watch the highlights some time today?,

I would expect a strongly worded letter seeking clarification will be winging its way to the LTA as we speak

A lot of fist pumping went on the tennis match Djokavic v Federer, nearly caused a riot!

Just as well the match wasn't played in Scotland, they might have been arrested, particularly Djokovic who had a blue shirt on

McCoist rarely did anything remotely logical. If there was a right way and wrong way of doing something he would always pick the latter.

In the old days, someone like that would be called a useless C. Nowadays, that sort of language is deemed hurtful & inconsiderate, so congrats on your choice of phrase there :-)

Perhaps the biggest indictment of all & there are a few contenders, from the previous management team was the parlous state of the youth set up & scouting system after several years. It was always going to be our MO & lifeline back to greatness that we were going to build from the bottom up & be the beacon for opportunity for young Scottish talent. I say that only to highlight the magnificent job MW has done in so short a period of time to turn it around. It borders on genius IMO

From which HMRC tax centre did our BTC originate ? EK?

Yes, believe it was & know someone who was aware of the allegiances of the investigators.