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Try again... Pedro deserved to be sacked but at least I'd have a begrudged respect for the board if they had stood by him compared to the shambles we have now...

Spoke too soon, message deleted for trying to edit...

Wish I could edit - too many lefts. Looking forward to the next forum software... VB is crap on a phone or incognito mode on a pc.

All I can remember is that we were 1-0 up and instead of looking to increase that, we looked like we were trying to gift them a goal. I got the fealing ANYONE could make a difference...

Ho ho, I was more expecting some OCD x comment...

Don't think I've ever felt so reactionary, but sack the manager and sack the board. Absolute shambles. Funny thing is that Murty outwitted McInnes but has been shown up by Clarke and Wright. I think I'd rather have one of those two, or some brolly guy, and right now I'd even welcome Eck. Never thought I'd say that.

Isn't it two sides of the same coin? If you buy enough shares to get control you need to offer the same price to everyone else. Ie you the threshold is set at the amount you need for control. It's not a coincidence.

How much happier about it would people have been if we had beaten St Johnstone? One game can be massive. I think they should have waited till after the OF game.

The question that hasn't been answered, is does he want to buy a load of shares for 20p? The delay has seen the price drop to levels that some might be tempted... Of course, he does seem to prefer an share offer that increases his holding but also puts money into the club. If it's just a waste of money then he'd have probably been better just doing it earlier without the cost of the court case and the embarrassment of his defence.

After wiki-ing McLaren, I'm warming to him. Most managers have ups and downs , and if they don't have downs they will take a job in a bigger league. I'm still not sure what to make of Walter's time at Everton - especially as he got the short straw on the financials. McLaren seems to have enough ups to perhaps do be able to do something for us - after all, we keep saying the Rangers job is not the hardest in a coaching sense, and while the pressure is immense, the England job is probably one that trumps it - not that he handled it well, but maybe he learned from it. But getting the gig in the first place has to say something about him. He certainly has more of an interesting CV than any SPL manager - including Rogers.

I'm not omitting his good signings as the point is that the good signings were very expensive, but so were the many bad ones, which ended up taking the club over the brink - and I was focusing on the complete waste of money for some of them. I'm pretty sure we made a loss on Amato - even if we got the same money for him, there are signing on fees, agent fees etc. But he's only one of many and the it seem profligate to sign an expensive player, hardly play him (and when he did he looked good) and then quickly move him on. If Advocaat had stopped at the ones you mention and then used the money more judiciously then we wouldn't have burned through about 75M that we didn't have. He would have been much better off keeping the likes of Gattuso and playing Arveladze more in his natural position instead of wasting his talents and letting him leave on a free. Murray was wrong to give him the money, but you don't always have to act like a kid in a sweetie shop because you can.

I think we need the bods but it does seem strange to play for two teams in the same league - especially as he could play against St Johnstone... Not really sure same league loans work well especially as he couldn't play against us but can play against our rivals. Seems like an advantage.

I think there are a couple of main reasons that stopped Pedro from being successful. The first is that no matter how intelligent and knowledgeable your are on the game, it's hard to make it work unless you also have man management skills. Pedro could probably trounce Walter on tactics but the latter will win on consistent results because he knows how to get the respect of the players and motivate them to play well enough to get a result. especially against weaker sides - which is what 95% of the Rangers managers' job is about. Secondly, when you're so intelligent and knowledgeable, it makes no advantage if your players are not on your level or wavelength. You have to be able to communicate what you want and have players doing all the things you need without having to stop and think about it. If you can't find a way to dumb it down a bit and create drills that instil the required instant responses and also get the players to believe in it, then your system will never work unless all your players are as intelligent and as knowledgeable as the manager. I think that it will work better if you are able to buy the best players in the world, many of whom are the most intelligent and understand modern tactics. When you're at our level, it will probably never work - especially in Scotland where we are a backwater when it comes to teaching kids about the more intelectual parts of the game. I'm going more towards the thinking that for us, we need a manager who has a more basic, more easily communicable game, but who can manager and motivate the wide ranging personalities of the players, and instil a winning mentality, even if it's sometimes just grinding out the results. Actually, we need another Walter Smith...

Ah, forgot to mention Flo but I suppose it's not necessary...

For the money he spent it was really spectacular. Two leagues out of four with those squads against much poorer SPL sides and a Celtic just recovering from near bankruptcy is pretty poor. Not only that, the money he spent was literally stupid. 5.5m for Kanchelkis at his age with no way of getting anything back, making huge losses on players like Amato without giving them a chance, wasting something like 1.5m on the best England U21 player with him hardly playing a game etc. etc, etc. We went from having money in the bank to dramatic downsizing after he left and DM having to put 50m into the club as well as something like 20m from Dave King and 15m from Joe Lewis. Although I suppose some of it went on the Stadium and training centre. However, I think without Advocaat, we'd have probably been able to pay our way out of the EBT snafu. His legacy is where we are now.