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Felt more relief than exhilaration when it went in. Hopefully another comes soon. They're looking more dangerous overall. 

Rangers 3 - Kilmarnock 0

FGS Kent

28 minutes ago, CammyF said:

Rumour emanating is that we had a at least 1 trialist playing with a view to signing. The name being suggested is Jack Wiltshire. Very injury prone, but when / if fit, an exceptional footballer.

I'm guessing you mean Jack Wilshere? Definitely questionable as far as his injury history goes. He has missed around 18 months of the past 3 years alone across 4 separate injury periods. Was also out for around 9 months in the year prior to that. 

Too risky in my view given he would demand a large wage and very possibly rarely play.

Lyon have had chances they simply didn't capitalise on. They're not going to get back into it now. They have to go for it and Bayern will likely score again when they do.

I like McCorie to the sheep. I wish him well but he's not good enough for Rangers. We take their best, Jack, for free and send them our cast offs for a price. It's perfect.

3 hours ago, bluedan said:

I don't think bringing in a new manager is the answer as that'll mean a brand new style of play, players etc. We've invested a lot in Gerrard and I'd like to see him finish building. 

It's completely possible that when Roofe is fit he'll make up one of the front 3 alternating with Kent or Hagi and Roofe is pretty good in the are. Itten is also good in the air. 

Even then though we need more through the middle. 

I don't want to see another manager at this point or anytime soon. As has been mentioned many times across many forums and topics it took Alex Ferguson 5 years to turn it around at Man U. And he inherited nothing like the dysfunctional mess nor the huge financial disadvantage Gerrard did.

3 hours ago, craig said:

Give it up man.  You’re talking nonsense.  The game played out with no violent play. You can guess and suppose all you like but there was zero violent play.  None.  Which makes a mockery of what you’ve been rambling on about in this thread.

 

The main thrust of your argument now is no better than “if my aunt had balls”.

 

There was no violent play and you’re merely guessing that the game never played out as Holt apparently intended.

 

The thread was started because the OP was highlighting that Livvy would be physical and “in our faces”.  You turned that into “Holt wants his team to intentionally deploy violent play” - something which never actually happened.  But rather than admit you aren’t actually a mind repeater you’re doubling down.  In the worst possible way by inventing a narrative to fit your agenda, but which isn’t borne out by the actual events.

 

Its also highly amusing that you castigate Gonzo for “last wordism” when you simply don’t know when to give up, even when you’re completely wrong.

 

i ad no unrealistic concerns.  Football is a contact sport and the quotes in the OP don’t talk to “intentional violent play” but rather the ugly side of the game but, again, you’re so stubborn as to refuse to see It.  Instead you play amateur mind-reader only to be found to be wrong, again.

 

But be my guest and have the last word.  But no amount of last words will change the fact that Livingston didn’t deploy violent play tactics today and that the words used by Holt are commonplace verbiage for having to do the tough stuff such as tough running, closing space, applying pressure and spending long periods without the ball.

 

I’m no longer replying because you literally would argue in an empty room, even if wrong.  You have zero capacity to accept you could be wrong and that makes this futile.

 

Enjoy your evening

The fact the game played out in the fashion it did in no way means there was never any intention to "do" anybody, another euphemism for the same thing. And it's not just this game, there will be others where it will feature.  Which if that weren't the case then there would have been no need for anybody to be concerned that the referee be doing his job. Would there?

There is no need for a referee to mediate "tough running, closing space, applying pressure".

You're being absurd talking to me about last wordism, When I refer to that i'm talking about almost literal last wordism, As little as a word or two with absolutely nothing explanatory attached long after a discussion has reached a natural end point. If I make a response it wont be a word or two, it will be an explanation such as this is.

I have ample capacity to accept i'm wrong about absolutely anything, you simply haven't proven to me that there is nothing but euphemism in such language. You presenting an opinion of it is no more objective than me presenting an opinion of it.

I don't know about you but I grew up mingling in an environment where people meant exactly what they said even when not saying it in the most outright manner. That extended to football and even when just playing football if someone were told to "do him" that's exactly what it meant.

This is a feature of the dark side of particularly so West Central Scotland that has always existed, it's one of the most violent countries in Europe and that permeates the entire society.  Personally I have actually lost count of the number of people I knew who were murdered or who actually carried out murder.

Know one guy who has killed 3 times and another twice. I know a family of 4 boys and 3 girls and 3 of those 4 boys have killed one of them twice. I take what people say seriously even when they're presenting it euphemistically.

You continue having no concerns about it, I will continue believing it's an issue in the Scottish game and one of the reasons TV is largely uninterested in it. They can buy bum fights much cheaper.

Also I don't mind your interjections, you at least try to present an argument and I have no issue with that. It's not what I mean when I say last wordism. You too have an enjoyable evening.

Just now, stewarty said:

Regardless, I don’t have any complaints about the result but I have several about our players and questions about the manager’s decisions.  
 

If this is our preverbial kick up the arse then so be it.  The scar tissue from previous seasons is real though 

I'm hoping it was a blip. Keeping in mind pretty much the same thing happened to the yahoos at Killie on another plastic pitch. Might be said it's bound to happen to us from time to time too. Hopefully not as often as it happens to them.

20 minutes ago, stewarty said:

On the H&H post match pod they talked about the Livi Assistant Manager David Martindale shouting at his players to “do him” on a few occasions.  I didn’t personally hear the comments as I had the crowd noise in the background but I can completely believe it.  
 

I think we all know that teams set out to try and level the game by being physical with us. And let’s face it, it’s worked on too many occasions in recent years so I can well see why folk read comments like Holt’s and fear the worst.  
 

We are also poorly served in this country by referees who allow overly-physical teams to play this way, whilst punishing the likes of Morelos for dissent, even though a Livi player on at least one occasion was guilty of the exact same offence, but with no yellow card given.   We simply are refereed to a different standard at times, and that feeds into the mindset of “here we go again”. 

 

In terms of today’s game...Physical play within the rules is fine, and I think Livi did that today for the most part. There were no standout bad challenges from memory. 
 

All we can do is keep highlighting things and keep campaigning for change in the refereeing community.   Regardless though, we have better players and should have been able to make that count.  We only had ourselves to blame. 

 

 

 

I think it played out in an atypical manner due to the fact they seemed determined to not just stay in their own half but in their own box. That doesn't leave much scope for their kicking game. Too dangerous to be kicking in and around that box. They were simply literally forming a human wall.

Presumably the "do him" calls came during the rare occasions they were forced out of their box into uncharted territory. And i'm guessing that's what Holt was booked for.

1 hour ago, craig said:

??

 

Where was this violent play you spoke of ?  You know, the one where you KNEW it was what Holt meant ?

 

if anyone is rambling it’s you.  You’re babbling incoherent nonsense in an attempt to deflect from being unequivocally wrong about Holt sending his team out to inflict violent play.

 

Nice deflection though ?

 

Sometimes it’s better, easier and saves embarrassment to simply admit you were wrong ?

No this is where you're wrong, and may save yourself some embarrassment. This match simply didn't play out in a typical Livi fashion in that sense. Which by no means is suggestive that it couldn't have.

Why do you think this thread was created in the first place, and not by me? You think it was sheer over reaction that it was hoped the referee would be "paying attention to this"? Which wan't my comment either. Everybody but you and the last word have embarrassingly unrealistic concerns?

Is it brand new to you that hopes for the referee to protect Rangers players have been commonplace for years? You always thought that was just hysteria? Nothing to be bothered about?

The thread was created because everyone knows and has known for a long time that this is indeed what they do and they're not the only ones. Sheep, Hearts, Motherwell and Livi probably the worst offenders. All typically top of the fouling and yellow/red card charts at the end of a season and that's not by chance.

And if you want to pretend otherwise I would suggest you're making a bit of a goat of yourself.

Well first things first, there is no God, that's a construct of ancient peoples. An early attempt to explain what to them was the unexplained.

At first many such supernatural beings to explain different mysteries such as the wind, the seas, the sky and stars and so on. Later the super being became amalgamated into just one with all the super powers of the earlier multitude. But it still wasn't real.

In summary, there will be no assistance from the non existent supernatural. Only you can help yourself. 

10 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Are you okay?

Perfectly fine, but you're not and you don't have the capacity to grasp it.

18 minutes ago, craig said:

Must admit I never witnessed any of this “intentionally encouraging violent play” which was stated.

 

Wonder if Gary Holt got the message ?

 

Livvy player within the confines of the game and I can’t say I saw even one foul from them that would constitute violent play, let along intentional violent play.

 

Maybe JFK’s crystal ball needs some cleaning ?

Perhaps your level of comprehension requires some sharpening. You're in here rambling away on a topic thread started for the very reason I went on to acknowledge was realistic. You think this topic was as witless as you're being?

Could pull off McLaughlin for all he has to do and throw in Itten. 

10 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

The Cricket has been more exciting, and that's been rained off for the last three days. 

Frequently been 21 players in their half. McLaughlin should just get up there and join the crowd for the full 22.

Possession 78% with 9 shots 0 on target.

Just now, CammyF said:

Forgotten just how horrendous the pitch is 

Perfect example of how unsuitable it is when Morelos went down "with no one near him". Stud stuck in it causing him to go over on his ankle.

Livi 0 - Rangers 4

Morelos

1 minute ago, Gonzo79 said:

The thread definitely has a panto vibe about it.  And JFK reminds me of one of those hysterical characters who go mad about things that haven't happened yet.

You remind me of the classic text book case of last wordism, talking just to be talking and saying absolutely nothing of any relevance to a point. That's hysterical.

3 minutes ago, craig said:

It’s pointless mate.  JFK is inside Gary Holt’s head and knows exactly what he’s thinking.... whilst he says nothing of the sort ?

Yes it is pointless considering this utter nonsense your using as an argument. It's long been agreed around here that opposing teams use violent tactics against Rangers, yet all of a sudden that's not real. Then you go on to contradictory rubbish about me being inside Holts head, while you claim to be inside Gerrards head.

If you can't derive what Holt means when he says that your simply not very insightful.  Are you so blind you don't get undertones? If I walk up to someone and aggressively say i'm going to get you that doesn't mean anything sinister? You really don't get this?

Just now, Gonzo79 said:

He isn't though.

 

Well let's play your no content game. He is though, And that's going to become evident soon enough.

Just now, BlackSocksRedTops said:

Is Aribo crocked? 

I was wondering the same thing. Odd leaving him out entirely if he's not.

2 hours ago, craig said:

I’m telling you our own manager has said similar things to Holt but you won’t ever accuse him of “deliberately intending violent play”.  Nope, you’ll deflect, as is your prerogative I guess.

 

You do realize that crippling tackles can still be legal challengers, right ?  A 50:50 can still end up in a player suffering serious injury.

I'm deflecting from nothing, if anybody is you are.

I understand perfectly that when Gerrard may say such a thing he's not talking about a strategy. He's talking about what he knows they're going to face. He's saying we know this is what they will do and we wont be intimidated. He's not saying our plan is we're going out there to kick lumps out of them.

This guy on the other hand is saying exactly that. No doubting that so don't be deflecting with talk of what a nice guy he is while implying Gerrard is advocating 'ugly', a euphemism for kick the shit out of them, as a game strategy.   

5 hours ago, Rousseau said:

I wonder if they could make it more permanent? Expand the competition to include all champions, and have a one-leg tie. Anything could happen! 

There's a financial downside to that which wouldn't suit Rangers. Only one gate presumably split. Two legs two gates each side keeping all of their own home gate.