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Lets get this past the post Bears...

I find this whole insident a bloody disgrace. We are at home, we have the BF1 as our noise makers. They are tehre to do that. The Police know it, and Rangers know it.

Why is it that in our own ground we are being Policed out of supporting our team.

Yes there are some of the knuckle dragging fraternity in there, but as has been said we are football fans.

Why, at Ibrox, are the majority of Police antagonising the Rangers support? Why are they going in heavy handed into our own fans at a game where the away fans are no more than 200.

Merry Christmas to everyone on the Board. Hope you all have a great day.

Aw ra best.

So lets look at the story.

Discredit Rangers - check.

Discredit anyone associated to Rangers - check

Discredit the Tories (the biggest Unionist party in Scotland) - check

Discredit things not associated to Rangers at the time, that happened years ago by the company now associated to Rangers - check

There must be people out there that can counter these people. They are all being led by a hate for Rangers/Unionism/Monarchy/Protestantism. This is not about sport or the "British tax payer" this is about the re-unification with the Romanists.

The £18 million debt was manageable, but the HMRC BTC is what has caused everything that has happened. Whyte didn't pay the Tax and N.I on last year alone. He caused the house of cards to collapse, but when Murray allowed it to be built on sand, he sacrificed us from then.

The weak chain link was Whyte, but the real culprit was SDM. This cannot be forgotten.

But some of these people want the kudos... they would rather spite there face.

Glamour friendlies against other big teams that have fallen by the wayside in Europeans competitions. Play against Teams from England who aren't involved in Europe.

Invite teams from USA to play.

Invite teams to play pre season games - Australian teams for instance.

Money could be brought in with these types of games. And would help build the team up. We could also rotate during these games. Ofcourse, we need to keep a core team... and this is what is going to be very, very difficult.

Hardly relentless and hardline - Vodfone walked away from billions owed without paying a penny. Using that case alone as a precedent, the Tax Man will be open to enormous scrutiny, and a pandora's box could well be opened.

Just because catholics have influtrated the labour party dosen't mean to say that socialism in a bad thing. In fact, this country could do with more socialism as opposed to it being run, on every level by Oxbridge educated morons that are using the same technique they've always used, divide and conqueur.

 

The fact that there are so many catholics in positions of power in this country weakens the claims of lemon that this country is instutionalised bigotry, but still lemon can claim that everything that happens in football is personally against him and against catholics more widely.

 

Maybe we should point out to the journos that constantly highlight these inaccuracies and demand a better form of reporting as opposed to merely how bad Rangers fans are.

 

Don't lose sight of the objective, which is certainly not the grandisement of the wealthy as it only leads to false claims that the difficulties for most peoples lives are shit because of bigotry. The catholic church is utilising this present world crisis to alienate everyone, except the imagined down trodden Irish catholic, and lemons spitting and screaming antics are a very useful tool, in terms of imagery to highlight that myth.

 

I'm sure the new law didn't ban conversation about religion and I think we all should verse ourselves better in demanding of our politicians an end to seperate schooling on religious grounds.

 

If the majority of the people in this country managed that, then you would here some squealing.

And Lemmon was the man who was accusing Ref's of being against his team whilst using the institutionalised bigotry claim, and the Ref was a R.E teacher at a Catholic school.

If you shout it loudest, and shout it enough it becomes true.

I couldn't care about any person's religion, just don't push it on me. I however hate Irish Republicanism and all that it stands for, in particular the utter destruction of Scotland and the great many things that such a small country has achieved in the world over the centuries.

I can't think of any fans group that has ever said that they speak for the majority. Maybe you should join one of the groups and try to make a difference rather than discussing our own points of view on an anonymous internet forum. Just a thought.

Fixed that for you.

Which one should I choose?

I am leaning towards the Billy Smarts Circus cavalcade associate trust affiliate club. I might aswell join all the other clowns.

It's an absolute joke that Speirs is being given a platform on national TV to voice his opinion on our situation. Not only does the guy not know what he's talking about, but the media guys all know fine well that he's severely disliked by our fans.

 

It's clear to me that the Scotland Tonight producers are more interested in stoking the fire and bumping their viewing figures than they are about the current plight of Rangers.

upping the viewing figures is their goal.

Yes. Why would I not, have heard it before as well.

I think history shows a great many people said things, but intended a completely dfferent course.

Kaiser Willhelm being one.

Busted flush, unimportant, failures.

 

Why the fear, if they hold no sway within the support? I'm no supporter of the RST, but the level of animosity towards them is unreal, especially when it's from folk crying out for unity.

I quoted your post verbatum. You have since added to it. If you are not a supporter of the RST why are you so streniously defending them.? I only ask as you seem to be pushing and pulling on the same chain.

Busted flush, unimportant, failures.

 

Why the fear, if they hold no sway within the support?

Because they are talking out as if they talk for all. They do not. No group does. Yes they have a right to aire their opinions, but certainly not as "we the Rangers fans".

I have no fear of them or what they say, I am a member of none of the groups/affiliates/trusts. I do not need some apparent despot telling me what to think.

They are failures in that they believe they speak for the majority - they all say they do. They do not.

Will be same old repetitive pish from the usual suspects.

 

Wtf has spiers done to deserve this exposure on our plight ??!

He rubs us up the wrong way, and simply fuels the fire of mistrust, smoke and mirrors.

For an organisation who are regarded as being so impotent, there's a hell of a lot of vitriol fired their way. Strange.

Could be due to the fact that there are more who do not follow them than do.. and as such will "disagree" with central points.

Aye we where doing ok under SDM eh? To blame the RST is just ludicrous.

So all the titles won didn't happen? Were you standing saying "your a disgrace Murray get out" when he was unfurling the Championship flag at Ibrox?

Yes he has screwed us via tax avoidance, and selling the club to a chancer. But today, now, at this moment the fans associations/trusts/affiliates are breaking up the fan base and fracturing the club.

Truly pathetic those banners, whoever it was. Truly pathetic that on Forums people were gving out Bill Miller's email address and asking all fans to ask their questions. No offence but do people think we don't have knuckle dragging f_cktards as supporters then they are kidding themselves.

People need to either agree that the club needs saving and support the people trying to do so, or they should simply shut up.

All they did at that stage was change the company name. Nothing else changed. The company remained the same.

 

They did subsequently get a newco to apparently play their games, pay their players and sell the tickets, while the plc owned the players and the ground. This is moving towards the scheme that is proposed by Miller, but the problem is that the information on what Celtic actually did is very unclear and there is very little publicly available information and they sure as hell aren't going to reveal it at the moment.

 

A decent journalist may want to ask questions about it, but nobody has taken up the challenge yet and I'm not holding my breath.

And there is hee haw chance of finding any of those in Scotland.

As said continually, I'll be astonished if the turkey's vote for Christmas & approve these new rules.

But these turkey's are having behind closed door meetings with Regan and Liewell. As has already been stated ref: Raith Rovers and there cash incentive to the SFA to allow them into the SC I believe Christmas is being sold to the turkey's as a saving grace, and not a snapping of the neck.

I truly believe they will NOT pass this nonsense simply because, if we drop out of the SPL there will be clubs who will follow suit. That is the one fact Liwell and Regan cannot hide.

Also the 'let the bigots die' and 'racism' aspects make me laugh, since Rangers have reported one of them to police now for the abuse Bartley gets - which we all know, is not a one off.

 

Pot, kettle, black.

Right you, get to the back of the class......

Having read the OP. And having read some of the replies....

He has given rise to "untruths". OK he didn't lie - or at least he wasn't lying with the info he had.

It is true however that this type of "rumour" and "conjecture" is what is firmly splitting the Rangers fanbase.

Leave it for the people who can deliver the information, to do so.

One-up-man-ship is not good in any shape or form. And it is the last thing our fractious support needs.

Don't let the door hit yer arse on the way oot!

Is it true that if we get the 3.6 mil freed up for the club then we only need to save 900k for the rest of the seasons and not the 4.5 mil.

If so -and I think this case is this afternoon or tomorrow - then the players won't need to take such high pay cuts, and no redundancies will be affected by the Administrators.

We do not know any truth as they all have their own agenda's for ownership. But the Truth will eventually come.

There is nothing we can do now. We must support the team at home, boycott away games and most of all stand up and be counted.

Murray and Johnstone - I wish they would just fuck right off.

It is rather embarrassing of these charlatans to come out now when it was they who caused this.

As much as Whyte is a chancer (my opinion) he has been left with no other option.

Let the Tims have their Jelly and Torbett flavoured Ice Cream party. They and they alone would know how to throw one of them.

Forward, United, Proud.