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He wasn't comparing our situation to Juve's just stating our response would be the same. Max getting his knickers in a twist for no reason IMO and missing th fact that it's great all round comments from Smith.

He's the head of their sports dept. Didn't know that. An even more embarrassing childish rant then. I think and hope most readers will realise this is undignified and embarrassing for King and the Sun and not Green.

As much as I read. The last part quoted killed it for me. That makes Green undignified? A simple gesture that no doubt occurs hundreds of times a year across the continent. King's argument makes him seem like a simpleton of epic proportions.

I don't believe that 15-20,000 ST holders aren't turning up to some games. The numbers are pure fantasy.

Cheers Ian I've wanted to see a definitive list all season.

Glad we have people on here who can sift through the jargon and explain it to us plebs!

Anyone think this line would have been jumped on and the headline been different had it been about us:

If they strip them the club should ignore this and still count them in our official history,

I subscribe to the theory that they are just trying o bump their average up to keep up with or overtake ours.

I don't think anyone is denying your knowledge of the youths. But unlike kuznetsov's assertions anyone's views on anything are open to questioning. Your input on the youths is invaluable and highly appreciated. Don't let trolling behaviour think that is not the case.

I have never said we don't have problems or that everything is rosey. All along i've merely argued the fact that players we let go playing for a Scotland national side is not, in itself, enough proof to say we wrong to let them go. I fully agree we have issues with our youth set up. I worked in the Falkirk set up for a little while as an S+C coach.

Interesting post with some good points and the middle paragraph is part of what my argument has been about but written far more succinctly.

Where have European opposition trained previously if never at scots teams facilities?

The lame excuse for not banning Britney was making him a martyr. Is Keevins (or whoever it is who's banned form the scumhut) a martyr?

Good read. Shame it's not in the national press like Bills ramblings!

Can Rangers take players from all over the country? Are there any rules similar to the one hour one in England. Also your "small pool of players" comment can also count against us. There aren't that many decent players to pick up out of Scotland and it is unreasonable to expect any team to have a great majority when they are only 1 team out of 42. Be they the biggest club or not. "At what time did I say all our youth should be starters for the national sides ?" It is inferred by the point about other clubs players being ahead of ours in the national squads. Just because a boy at Hearts makes an u17 squad ahead of a player we have of the same age and position does not mean the jambo is guaranteed to have the better career. I admit some of the analogies there are not perfect and taken in isolation can easily be picked apart. The point I was making is that just because we let a player go who then plays for ICT for example and gets into national teams, does not mean we made a mistake. If we let a forward go because he couldn't get a game ahead of Prso or Jelavic for example, but he latterly plays well enough to get Scotland caps it does not mean that the wrong decision was made at the time we made it.

You can't keep every player who could "do a job". You aim to have the highest quality available. People forget that you have a wage budget etc. At the time we let Beattie go he would have been deemed not good enough and I dont think he was that spectacular that it can be deemed an error. You have to look at the bigger picture. And it was just one example of a point I dont want to get away from. Merely being selected in a Scotland squad whilst at another team is not enough of a reason to state we were wrong to let players go.

The point I was trying to make elfi is that not all of our youths will be starters for the national side. And that also goes for teams with better resources dominating in better countries. There are no doubt guys who were getting selected ahead of united players down south who never made it, yet these man u players have gone on to star for the biggest club in that country. Sure it would be ideal if Rangers players all played through the national squads, but players who don't do this often go on to have better careers than players who do. It is not the be all and end all of a players career and some players develop, blossom and reach their full potential at different times. I wasn't questioning your judgement on youths and I'm sure you are more than happy for people to do so and for you to educate them or argue your points back. I was merely stating that just because we let a player go who happens to make a Scotland team doesn't mean we were wrong to let them go. Craig Beattie is an example of this point. We let him go, he played for Scotland. Hardly any of our fans would have wanted him in the Rangers squad despite him being good enough for Scotland. Just one example of what I mean. Being good enough for Scotland doesn't make you good enough for Rangers and at some point we have to make a decision on these players. They may continue to represent Scotland but it may still have been the right decision to let them go. Comparing a player at this level to our current div 3 squad is not a far comparison with my points about the relative strengths of Rangers and Scotland players prior to this period.

You're at it with the Brown comments. I've had enough of your nonsense though. Don't respond to my posts and I won't respond to yours as I have zero respect for your views on football. Thanks.

Do Man Utd have a full compliment of heir youths filling the berths of every available space of every Englsh youth squad?

Bar this exceptional season it is still the case. But I'm used to your contributions being amusing.

Regards the first paragraph, generally speaking being good enough for sccotland is a lower bar than being good enough for Rangers. So players getting into national squads that we let go does not necessarily say anything about us.

Dunno how we can defend an interview with Speirs? Represent the fans but be completely out of touch with the support?

Thought they had to appeal on a point of law and no fair minded person could logically think they had one?!

This one made me laugh. :-) Ian, if Leggat appears to be able to get the numbers with a phone call it would be great if he would get the definitive list for all their fixtures and calculate their true average.