Walterbear

IFAB laws of the game. “DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITYWhere a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a deliberate handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offending player is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.) the offending player must be sent off.A player, sent off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee's permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offenceThe following must be considered: distance between the offence and the goal general direction of the play likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball location and number of defenders” interestingly the aspects which apply to yesterdays incidents are the bullet points at the end. A hasty red looking at the actual laws of the game. The biggest question mark are the first and third bullet points. If you assume he was going wide then the 4th comes into play. Id put it in the category of bad decision rather than the cheating we have become accustomed to but when you hear idiots like Thomson and Stewart saying red ‘all day long’ you just know they haven’t taken 2 minutes to read the basics and have taken less that 2 seconds to formulate their opinion which is normally ‘Rangers Bad’.

I agree Craig we shouldn’t appeal this one as there will be a time to go full throttle on this and that incident isn’t one if them. In terms if the incident I don’t think goldson needed to cover instantly as the boy had taken a heavy touch and would have had to run well wide.

Angers must have some good players if he can’t get a game for them.

Agree with a lot of that but don’t forget our midfield are playing with 10 v 11. Coulibally did fine for me but overall we give the ball away too easily in midfield and Morelos but then he was getting tired as well and did a lot of running. Im a wee bit concerned about Katic. He will develop but coulibally and jack are definitely needed in front of the CH pair. Better teams in Europe and the Tims will catch them flat footed without further development. I’m sure Flanagan will be a starter in most games but where we need to press (eg Tims) I’d go with Tav.

Seeing the red card on telly last night don’t think Goodson was covering had the opponent controlled the ball. The ball clearly moved by the opponent well away from a goal scoring position just before the foul. Yellow card but also agree we can’t cintest everything and in this instance I can see why a below par referee would award red.

Good view from CD3 directly above the incident but slightly behind. Cover was arriving and a heavy touch was taking the ball well away from goal. Certainly wasn’t a clear goal scoring opportunity imo unless we’re talking Brazil. Most around me were amazed.

Giving the ball away cheaply in midfield was a bit of a problem. They pressed and made it difficult but hopefully that was a good lesson for a couple of players. The otjer great thing is that whilst we want to want to build a team the market value of existing players can only go up if we progress. It’s only half-time tho as SG said.

Mask slipped when they shouted down chic who was defending us and Stewart proclaimed that they had watched the Morelos red card incident ‘hundreds of times’. Bet they dream about us. ??

We have a great chance and most would have accepted this position a few weeks ago. We can score over there as the 3rd goal puts them under more pressure and as we can hold them out for a good 25 mins we can find holes. They are a good team who made ur difficult with organisation and skill and even if we go out the fact we are young and inexperienced and have beaten seasoned European campaigners 3-1 is fantastic for us. Coulibally superb.

I’d like to know what action is being taken against a linesman who clearly saw the McKenna barge but denied it and what action is being taken against the referee who it seems did not adequately consult his linesman or if he did what did his linesman tell him. One of these two is a downright cheat. You cannot see the Morelos reaction without seeing the barge. They happened almost simultaneously. This should not be let go.

Linesman was different. Mcgeachie or something.

Sandcastle Ultras. No one is safe.

Clean sheet Thursday and 0-0 would be a half decent result. This is a CL quality team we are up against and Osijek and Sheep games have shown we can play away from home. Fans have to be patient and keep behind the team.

That isn’t just disrespectful to Rangers it’s disrespectful to Scottish football and the entire SPFL. The hypocrisy from these people is breathtaking. Rangers only crime on this whole respect/disrespect cr*p is to say they want to win a competitive sports league. In no other country in the world covering any sport would that be deemed as disrespectful to all other contenders. It’s what competitive sport is supposed to be about. The anti-Rangers bias is clear and obvious. Fortunately we can see that clearly.

A lot of positives but the biggest is that these players now know that despite playing in a provincial league they have to play at 100% every game to win because they are playing 12 men and sometimes a linesman and 4th official. Perhaps Clancy gave the newcomers a good lesson today and one best taught before it’s too late. But bottom line for me is we have been cheated out of points yet again. I noted certain BBC pundits and associated misquoting Gerard unsurprisingly. SG said we were a class above Aberdeen TODAY. Some pea brains are suggesting he should have waited until the end of the season. ? i alsi noted they they did not like SG calling out the standard of refereeing involving Rangers. If Scotland suffered the same decisions we do they’d make plenty of noise.

I know it feels absurd but 10 minutes and we are moaning about refs. And then throughout the game there are several other bizarre decisions and none of them in our favour. I don’t know what’s going on in the heads of these refs but they are preoccupied with making sure Rangers are not seen to get any leeway. Something is going on in the background whether it’s pressure from other clubs or individuals or bodies within the SFA and SPFL. It cant be changed by silence that’s for sure. SG is the first person at Rangers for some time to call it out for what it is and that is cheating. There are no other words for it.

Law 12 re Morelos red card. “VIOLENT CONDUCTViolent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.” If Morelos is violent conduct then May is GBH. Even if Morelos has made contact it would have been nothing more than a petulant tap. What is disturbing is the lack of real consultation between the 2 officials. Any sensible discussion would have led to a yellow at worst. What is also disturbing is that no other player will get sent off in Scotland for this type of action this season but it will happen a dozen times at least.

I presume imperial bears have contacted Police Scotland? It must be a criminal offence to insight violence and organise a riot. I remember seeing Peter Dickson video from his car at the junction of PRW and Edmiston. This all makes sense now. I would have thought Kevin Maguire would be in danger of losing his licence to sell booze I f this was organised by him in his public house. They dont look so clever now.

More solid and winning tackles in all areas. Not getting bullied. Still a bit weak in final third in terms of finishing. Definitely progressing and more quality but a good bit to go yet! They were skilful and well organised and could have scored first but overall I think we looked slightly the better team over both legs. They lacked a dangerous striker in the final thir. Maribor will be difficult but I think we can score away from home so priority will be keeping a clean sheet at Ibrox hopefully sneak a lead to take there. Glad the sheep got taken to ET and lost and have a longer journey tonight. They will be a bit down which will help us.

It’s fair to say the original deal was a shocker Darther and the Board were in a difficult position but this 2017 deal doesn’t look much better. In some respects it looks worse particularly in regards to the rolling and matching clause. What we don’t know is what was agreed out of court a couple of days ago and its also not clear whether we can just walk away and pay £1m to Ashley if the fresh negotiations break down on disagreement over what constitutes material terms for example. But from what the judge said it is only the material terms which can vary in any new contract. Whether or not the rolling matching aspect is s material term relating to duration is probably one for the lawyers. It’s noticeable JD have not said anything yet either but that’s probably wishful thinking. No doubt they are just waiting for the SD deal to be signed before formally saying anything. Whilst folk appreciate it was an incredibly difficult situation I think a lot of the anger is that following the £3m payoff we were given the impression in 2017 that there was more of an equal partnership between us and SD and we had paid another £350k to lawyers to clarify our obligations when money is needed for players. We don’t have what anyone would call a fair contract if all we are doing is changing the price and framework for the 3 areas SD wanted broken down in detail. If you add in the disastrous financial outcomes associated with Pedro many folk think the Board have not done very well over the last year. I wish bonus schemes for my annual performance had been as generous as those for some Rangers Board members.

Slight amendment (bit pyshed yesterday) we would of course get £3.50 per shirt in above numbers which is still a million shirts to shift to pay off the £3.5m (Ashley and legal challenge). We would have to pay Corp tax on revenues which boosts the number to shift higher. Of course we now have a better deal but say it’s 14p in the £ we still have to shift in the order of 500,000 shirts to nullify the pay off. And we still give the club a paltry £7.00 for a £50 outlay.

It’s possible that the deal is tapered mate so for example we get 100% of the first 60000 sales which pays off the 3m at £50 per shirt and then reverts to SDI favour after that or some other sliding scale is in place. we can all invent variations but neither SDI nor Rangers have come out and explained to the fans what a great deal it is for Rangers fans who want to support their club and why we should be investing in shirts. I doubt they will because it’s probably a rubbish deal for fans who want to help Rangers in what are still turbulent times. The more you think about it and the more we understand about how kit prices are broken down (they cost about £5 to make) the more clear it is that buying kits is purely emotional and does not help us right now. Perhaps we should divert that emotion to other areas than kit. Answers on a post card but it ain’t SDI.

Agree. I was just trying to focus folk on thinking about this in numbers. Even if the deal is twice as good it’s 20m shirts just to settle the deal. If it’s 4 times as good it’s 10m shirts. I know this is simplistic as I don’t have details but I have the details that are public and am applying rudimentary sums. Point is it makes no sense from the outside. I get why some want to wear the top or buy it for kids and that will happen. But don’t let anyone think that buying tops is significantly helping the club financially. We really need 1872 to step up to the mark and based on what I’ve seen on the various boards that will be a challenge for them. They are our only unifying fan base I can see (I have no association with them) but they need to step forward even more than previously.

- 7p in the £ for a shirt in pre 2017 deal - £3m just to terminate 2017 contract equals 43m shirts (@ 0.7p) to just to offset the £3m. We then have to take of tax against shirt revenues. These are the numbers. And we got a potentially perpetual deal. Ths is what needs explained.

We have a debt to King and Co no doubt. That debt has been matched with tens of millions of pounds of season tickets. We saved the club as well. Let’s just see what the board have to say on this deal.