Walterbear

Agree with those observations pete but given the referee was almost as bad as our players he is worthy of debate on his own dedicated thread

Whyte had history with HMRC and that was why they were so aggressive with Rangers (excluding any conspiracy theories which abound) and he also had no track record in the city. The Whyte court case on conclusion will tell us a lot we need to know about Murray. Doubt it will lead to many wanting him back based even on what we have heard so far.

Can't argue with tha summary stewarty.

We haven't qualified for Europe yet and whilst that would be a good achievement in context there are now worrying signs. The evidence has been there for quite a while that progression is stalling and our rivals are accelerating. High level plan was clearly stated to challenge for the title. That is not happening with the current levels of investment. It would s incumbent on the Board to tell us how they are going to respond to these changed circumstances.

I wish the rules allowed the tackle on Miller as I like old fashioned football. But the rules don't allow it. The Brown tackle on the Ross player is red all day long in olden day football and up to date rules. The scum are getting away with murder which is why only they can provoke fans without fear of significant disciplinary action. Now I like a bit of argie bargie and have no real issue with players milking it, hostile atmospheres and flying tackles. But I do have an issue when the laws are not applied to one club in particular because of years of intimidation of officials. I would accept I was wrong if Howard Webb gave a different view but Richmond with his comment about Kenny running into Browns elbow has proved himself to be an idiot whose further opinions are thereby deemed irrelevant. Apart from the tackles Beaton should have carded 2 or 3 of their players for inciting the crowd. However bottom line in all of this is that if you beat your opponents all the referee talk is irrelevant. Hope Pedro has a couple of 'iron men' at the top of his list. For all the talk of tactics and transition and possession I have heard over the last 2 years we have a gutless, spineless, soft, sub-standard group. First job is win the battle then play football. You never see Madrid, Brazil, Germany or the great Dutch teams intimated. I also realise now Barton was right and Warburton was wrong. I'd settle for kicking them all over the park next season and worry about the title in a couple of years.

It's as much about reestablishing our name and brand across Europe. Vital we get in it and getting to a group would be unbelievable given where we have been. I'd sacrifice false hope of winning the spfl to focus on this. Hence agree with Pedro getting the players fit early.

What is left of his own budget will not go far over the next 3 years. His assessment is wrong based on the evidence of our squad today. He doesn't seem able to attract further significant investment either and is maybe a deterrent. His job and his purpose for which we are all grateful seems complete to me.

If by opinions vary we mean from b****d to cheating phoney f***** b****** I would be inclined to agree.

I see the idiot Gary Ralston said we need 1 point from our last 4 matches for Europe. If I'm not mistaken it's 3 points for a win nowadays. I remember my 3 times table too.

Waghorn is a headless chicken Pete. He misses lots of passes, can't score and for someone of his physical build makes no impact on defenders. He's English Div 2 standard. He's garbage mate.

'He bought his elbow up and Miller ran into it'. I mean Jesus that's comical.

Miller had to jump out the way of the tackle. Studs were up, 2 footed and reckless. Straight red anywhere but Scotland.

Straight red. Cowardly as well. He knew what he was doing ffs. Compare that to the brouhaha over Kieran.

Investment does need return but that does not necessarily have to be financial return it could be to protect assets such as the stadium or to give a return in a football sense. Clearly there may be a knock on financially but the purpose of the investment is not driven by financial return. It's called an 'investment business case' in some quarters. You might invest in a leaky roof primarily the stop getting wet and destroying other assets. The res 11 issue is that if failed as a time when it needed to succeed and it is as the board's responsibility to get it through and they didn't. There may well have been enough votes out there to avoid the impact certain shareholders had (one of them unbelievably was on Sky after the game blabbing about how the club needed investment) but people didn't seem to understand that they had to get their vote in. Kicking investment into the long grass is going to further the damage. Folk keep asking 'what would you do'. Sorry I haven't a penny but like most here I can continue to support the team and buy tickets but I can put 2 and 2 together and come up with something pretty close to 4. The fans incidentally have provided the real investment since and including the days of SDM and none of them have made a penny but they regard it as giving them a return. Except now we are not even getting a 'football' return. Anyway I've said my bit. Folk can make their own minds up.

The danger is that by 2022 the gap will have texponentially grown and it will not be achievable. Our current trajectory compared to them should alarm everyone. The only answer is fresh investment and to do whatever that takes. The first step on that path is stabilise the finances and make it a going concern but we are still not doing that if we are relying on soft loans.

Gaffer, He has cleared out the previous disgusting excuse for a board and we are all grateful for that. However the gao between us and them is growing every year in and off the park and through the ranks. They have serious money and a board that is doing a pretty good job for them. They are serious professionals with contacts. In comparison I don't think you need inside knowledge to know DK is burning bridges in the city. He said he would personally invest 30m then we find out that includes his share purchase. For all he got rid of Ashley's men his reputation is affected by the SAR business. He has compromised fellow investors by exceeding the 30% rule acting in concert during the takeover although the Takeover Panel have agreed he is solely responsible for the breach. That breach would have potentially embarrassed them in their other businesses to the point where one of them cut him adrift and has almost certainly damaged the board relationships between our biggest investors. His biggest failing of all was to not get resolution 11 through and fundamentally that was his job as the 'de facto' leader of the club. We don't have a NOMAD. We must buy 10 new players for the first team squad, pay off the dross (lucky to raise £4m from selling the entire first team imo), invest millions in the stadium (I don't know why we are not renaming it - which is either s lack of business acumen or something is lurking in the legacy pile), invest in auchenhowie and our scouting system, invest in our player development at all levels (Celtic are hammering us here), we have to overcome 6 more years of Ashley plus any damages from the court case (I suspect Ashley is after King so some walk away deal is possible rather than hitting the club), we are not going to make any more money on the footballing side next year than we have this year etc etc. How does it help if our main money man has no money? How does it help if he is one of the main reasons other investors may not come in board because they don't trust him? In other words unless he comes up with a personal investment to close the gap more rapidly then how does it help (given the baggage) if he stays? Not being flippant. Genuine question. On the positive side we are where I personally thought we would be but unfortunately the scum are accelerating. Finally we have fans getting frustrated and trying to sort out griffiths, probably at risk of criminal conviction because we don't have any players who can sort them out. That's how bad it was yesterday and the week before. Not to mention the PR omnishambles.

I think it's North of 50m to rebuild and restructure on and off the park and that still wouldn't get us within the rotten mhob for a couple of years. Sad thing is with the fans input and the share issue a few years ago we had enough money. King has to walk and I have a feeling he might be willing to. Until that happens I can't see any further progress. The only obvious person with money is the person who has also shafted us MA. But the other reality is there are still 4 games to play and if we can qualify for Europe it's just about all I was expecting this year. The best result for us next season will be c****c failing to qualify for CL groups.

He is the ultimate professional imo and we need people like him in th club to educate the rest

Average player. Would walk into our team today however.

Any Rangers player moaning about holidays after last week isn't fit to wear the shirt. We know some of them aren't fit to wear it but any of holidays is scandalous at the moment. I worked in IT and when it came to the crunch and things went t*ts up it was all hands to the pump. That's where we are after last weeks shocker and players who don't like it can feck off. It's critical to be fit for these early euro ties as we know.

Spot on. He's basically taking it in the neck from the gutter press because the players are not performing. He owes no loyalty to people who are not putting in the same commitment as he is.

If the players don't like it then talk to the manager not the press. The club has leaks from the top down and Pedro is spot on in stamping this out where he can. Despite being in the job for less than a couple of months he grasps what the club is all about more than most. Find the culprit and boot him out, drop him or whatever is within employment law. It is not for players to take it on themselves to discuss our plans without approval from the manager. If players are fatigued there are systems in place to identify that and rest them. As others have said if they don't want to play and win in Europe there is no point having them at Rangers. Perhaps we can send a message to our players on Saturday by giving Pedro a special ovation. I'm sick of this group of under achievers who have had the privilege to wear one of the most famous football jerseys in the world. They need to shape up or ship out. I think what Pedro is saying when he talks about passion is that he knows they are not good enough but the least they could do is get stuck in. Warburton recruited players with the wrong mentality and they have to be high on the list for removal because that mentality will spread down the ranks. Need to ban the Record from Rangers now. Another sneering article today from Ralston. They do absolutely nothing for our club and attack it constantly. It's a waste of time and energy engaging with them.

I don't have a dog in this fight tbh. Just passing on what a couple of advocates were saying to me when I met them in the pub and we had a few beers. I've never met him or seen him in court. I just asked who the best in Scotland was and they both said that he was due to his understanding of technical detail. That view is apparently fairly common. Whether that is due to instructing solicitors or a combination of the information he is given and his ability to use it or whether he simply mesmerises the court with his magic pipe and sideboards I have no idea.

In legal circles Findlay is regarded as the best in court. He s attention to non-legal technical detail in the most complex cases is what apparently marks him out.

And that article by Waddell is what counts for journalism in this country. It must have taken about 10 mins sitting in the bath to cobble that together.