1 hour ago, Bill said:

Why 2000? What nationalist science was this derived from? Utter wankers. 

 Nationalist science lol. Truth’s one of the first things they have to attack. 

26 minutes ago, Bluedell said:

He has certainly done a lot for us and deserves a lot of credit. However he's now looking to recoup all that cash that he invested by selling his shares to C1872, meaning he wouldn't be out of pocket.

 

He's certainly got the right to dispose of the shares as he sees fit but when the deal was being promoted by both him and C1872, they made false claims that there would not be any more share issues, and that shares would not be available at 20p. 

 

C1872 turned down opportunities to buy shares from the club, obviously wanting to save the cash so that they could buy the shares from King. Money did go to King when the club was crying out for cash.

 

There is allegedly a shadow director of C1872 who makes or influences the decisions of C1872 and who was employed by King at Rangers at an allegedly high salary but was let go when King resigned. There have been unanswered suggestions that there may be some sort of connection.

 

C1872 are continuing to promote the purchase of shares from King much more  buying from the club, and they give the impression that they are more interested in King's shares.

 

It was noticeable that King came to the defence of the C1872 board in the press recently, as he obviously sees it as his way of getting back some or all of the cash he put into the club.

 

There's also the issue of King charging interest on the £5m loan that he made to the club at 8%. It seems to me that the recent share issue by the club is largely to fund repayment of the loan and hundreds of thousands of pounds of interest due to King, but that's not strictly related to the C1872 issue.

 

 

 

Thanks very much for this. However, I think King was right in saying people closer to home should have stepped up and there’s no doubt his business dealings in SA would have suffered. He did what no one else was willing to do, in my view. And seemed to do it the right way.  I’m sure he won’t be recouping more than he put in. However, there does seem something shady about this. Thanks for taking the time to explain. 

Thanks for this.

5 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

He doesn't drink.  

 

I could maybe just kneecap him.  

Let’s get down to brass tacks, how much for the cosh. 

34 minutes ago, compo said:

are these    bona-fide laws   or are they just her recommendations if so stuff her and open the doors and let our fans in someone will have to make a stand  .

As far as I can tell they are advice and guidance, I’m looking for the statutes where the levels are in primary legislation. Rangers still won’t want wrong side of them.

1 hour ago, Gonzo79 said:

Bar72 are added to hospitality for the three friendlies (so will be in attendance).

 

I just need to figure out a suitable distraction for my old man to be unable to make Ibrox on the 25th...?

Go proper gonzo and put a wee bit of molly is his whisky night before. He’ll either be so loved filled he’ll offer you his spot or too busy coming down the next day. 
 

3 hours ago, Bluedell said:

It's a reminder that the board and shadow director will stoop any level to remain in control, and King doesn't want his puppets to leave his cash cow.

BD. Can you explain this to me? My family has been through a lot in the last few years but I’m under the impression DK should have a statue erected to him and that we’re in a bit of a financial hole, and that he has stuck to his word on every major issue. What milk does our cow currently have? Genuine question. Filling in gaps. 

25 minutes ago, Yorkie Bear said:

Greeks. Romans. 19th century philosophers. Sometimes I think I'm unworthy of being a Gersnetter.

Do you support the Gers?  the rest is happy meanderings. 

On 12/07/2021 at 14:20, Uilleam said:

Bread and circuses.

 

 

Even if I’m the brunt of this the Classical knowledge on this forum is on point. 

20 hours ago, Bill said:

Here we go, RST mark 2.

I think this was the one from when I was last here Frankie. 

4 hours ago, Scott7 said:

Maybe but which Greeks?

The aggregate. Something to be learned from all of them, even the ones that pretended to be Greeks, like the Macedonians. And the Romans. 

7 hours ago, Rousseau said:

Apples and Oranges. 

If apples copied oranges and had a poorer artistic and intellectual tradition. 

6 hours ago, the gunslinger said:

Britain for the win 

Yeah, we did a lot of bad shit but on the whole we weren’t bad at Empire.

23 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

I'm going to prepare a shortlist then.  Bribes accepted.

 

?

I’ll pay you in reputation points, looks like you need them. 
 

14 minutes ago, Frankie said:

It's going to be the same as Wembley the other day.

 

Basically anyone who wants to go hangs about on Edmiston Drive until KO when you can then rush the stewards for access.  First come, first served but no obvious weapons.

Fixed. 
 

for the internet police that was a joke. 

The reason these football threads get derailed from football - apart from my ramblings - is because they keep politicising football. 

12 hours ago, Rousseau said:

Greeks infinitely greater than the Romans, still getting a thumbs up though.

1 hour ago, alexscottislegend said:

You're right about Nietzche but wrong about today's 'marxism.'  That's like that Tory MP on tv yesterday going on about footballers being marxists. He wouldn't recognise one if he tripped over him in the street.

You replace it with collectivists and it works. Don’t know about the Tory MP stuff though. 

1 hour ago, alexscottislegend said:

I sort of get what you're saying but you veer perilously close to cynicism, which is not an endearing trait. I may be an idealist but I hope for a future which the author  of this quote yearned:

I can see the bright green strip of grass beneath the wall, and the clear blue sky above the wall, and sunlight everywhere. Life is beautiful. Let the future generations cleanse it of all evil, oppression and violence, and enjoy it to the full.”

 

 

I’m a Blakean. Couldn’t be more of an idealist. However there’s a difference between hope and expectation. The only real difference that can be made is human to human. Person to person. And we’re back off down to road of groups. Doesn’t end well. All you can do is live beautifully and adventurously, and remember to be lionish with lions and lambish with lambs. 

5 minutes ago, bmck said:

You're barking up my tree - as you can probably tell from my ressentiment comment yesterday - and I agree completely that the cults of the West we are witnessing these days are just Christianity stripped of its virtues. The scientific community aren't all that different, with their idea of progress - like history is going in some direction. However, as we know from Classics a polis can't survive unless there's a common understanding of what its values and ethics are. Britain had it good for a while, in that the middle class wanted to be upper class, and those aristos values were fundamentally Classical but clothed in the decent drapery of Christianity. Also, for all its ills, Christianity brought new virtues to the table - forgiveness and the redemptive arch. We'd be worse off without them, religious or irreligious, and that life was intrinsicially meaningful. Nietszche made the error the Romans and Greeks never would, and that was tht he thought human nature could change. Also the same error these new cults made. It doesn't. It's a constant. There's a limited value set to choose from, and then degrees of them. The whole fiasco of the West is people doing that with the shoe-horn effect. I'm happy with the words scribed on the Temple at the belly of the world "Know thyself" and "Everything in moderation" (including moderation, my addition.) However, if we don't sort out some sort of core Western values - Christianity, Enlightenment, Classical - and have it as the substrata, we are done. It ties into my point about a capitalistic ethic. It would have been uncouth to be defined by and brag about how much you've got and what you can afford to wear or put pics on Instagram of your money a short while ago, even as you were using free market economics to accumulate wealth. Anyway, thread sufficiently derailed.

I'm not even sure I agree with myself here, there would have been a better way to answer this.

4 minutes ago, Rousseau said:

I'm not sure we have a "Capitalistic ethic", but I'm not clever enough to rebut your point. ? 

 

I also find it insulting that we need an "over-arching narrative" like Christianity to provide us with a moral framework. This is too much of Nietzche's Slave Morality -- which Christianity championed -- it's just taken a more secular, marxist form today. 

You're barking up my tree - as you can probably tell from my ressentiment comment yesterday - and I agree completely that the cults of the West we are witnessing these days are just Christianity stripped of its virtues. The scientific community aren't all that different, with their idea of progress - like history is going in some direction. However, as we know from Classics a polis can't survive unless there's a common understanding of what its values and ethics are. Britain had it good for a while, in that the middle class wanted to be upper class, and those aristos values were fundamentally Classical but clothed in the decent drapery of Christianity. Also, for all its ills, Christianity brought new virtues to the table - forgiveness and the redemptive arch. We'd be worse off without them, religious or irreligious, and that life was intrinsicially meaningful. Nietszche made the error the Romans and Greeks never would, and that was tht he thought human nature could change. Also the same error these new cults made. It doesn't. It's a constant. There's a limited value set to choose from, and then degrees of them. The whole fiasco of the West is people doing that with the shoe-horn effect. I'm happy with the words scribed on the Temple at the belly of the world "Know thyself" and "Everything in moderation" (including moderation, my addition.) However, if we don't sort out some sort of core Western values - Christianity, Enlightenment, Classical - and have it as the substrata, we are done. It ties into my point about a capitalistic ethic. It would have been uncouth to be defined by and brag about how much you've got and what you can afford to wear or put pics on Instagram of your money a short while ago, even as you were using free market economics to accumulate wealth. Anyway, thread sufficiently derailed.

4 hours ago, Frankie said:

It's worth noting amongst all the posturing on both sides of this debate (namely Robert Marshall and Club1872) that Mr Marshall was questioned by police over comments he made on an open forum.

 

I won't pretend to know what's going on in this latest fan group clusterfuck but it's a timely reminder you can and will be held accountable for your online content.

For anyone ever caught in that situation timely reminder that the police don't know the law, and the words you are looking for are "no comment".

Realise this isn't going to be popular, But I just don't care about the bit of rioting. I'm basically Victorian in my public dealings, and believe civilisation and civilised behaviour is that to which we should aspire. However, this is what we've chosen collectively as a society - you got your tooth punched out? Free denture or whatever. You got your leg stomped? Free treatment. No need to think before or after those decisions, state's got it for you. Somewhere along the lines we became a fundamentally nihilistic society, where there were almost no societal - i.e. not headlines that will affect you, but actual shame from peers - for bad behaviour. It's where we've chosen to go. There's also a slight beauty in anarchy, and it reminds our masters that in the right situation we can't be contained. It's a shame it's over something as petty as a lost football game, but there you go. Capitalism already has the answer for any private property broken - the insurance industry - and it's not lke the state care about throwing money at things. The police get to do what they instinctively want to do most, have a chance to exert their power and give a few beatings. Everyone's a winner. It's what happens when you have a capitalistic ethic replacing a capitalist economy, with no over-arching narrative (say Christianity, but pick whatever) to bind us together, and underwrite the losses with socialist policies that killed two parent households and made people be weak to get money. Yobs, shouldn't have happened. Inevitable it did. We move on.

13 minutes ago, Gonzo79 said:

Grown men crying in public maybe. 

Turned off fter the last pen.While I agree manliness is in sore deficit genereally, highest of highs, lowest of lows, carrying a whole nation on your back and you let them down. Younger players who missed the pens hopefully.

12 minutes ago, Scott7 said:

Unmanly scenes at the end. Why do so many young people behave like toddlers?

 

Over all, a disappointment.

what was it?